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Lews
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But I'm starting to think the enormous economic and social upheaval this thing is causing is going to be more damaging than the death of a very small percentage of people who contract it.


This has been my worry since day one.

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Silky Johnson
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Strong case for UBI? Lews what is your insight? I understand the purpose, benefits, and implications only minimally (actually I just picked up a book - 'Give People Money' - so I can better understand, but haven't dug into it yet), so wondering what an expert such as yourself thinks?

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I will ask the wife to check my penis for HPV. She'd better be ready to really fucking squint, too, and not just because virii are tiny.







I heard the lesions can be treated orally. You should ask her to try that if she finds anything.

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Strong case for UBI? Lews what is your insight? I understand the purpose, benefits, and implications only minimally (actually I just picked up a book - 'Give People Money' - so I can better understand, but haven't dug into it yet), so wondering what an expert such as yourself thinks?


We'd shit bricks down here, JP, if someone suggested such in front of a microphone. We have such a crazy dichotomy in this country, going way to to "Puritanical" reasoning. We are, as good Christian Americans, supposed to be hard working and self sufficient, not relying on others to pay our way. Yet we're also supposed to "love our neighbors as ourselves" and help the poor and widowed.

Over the centuries, however, we have focused far, far more on the first of those ideas. We may pay lip service in some sermons to the second, but almost never in practice.

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I heard the lesions can be treated orally. You should ask her to try that if she finds anything.


HOLY SHIT! HALLO THAR! HOW YOU DOIN?!

You dirty nurses clearly think alike. Pretty sure you both blondes, too.

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I do love my coworkers/fellow nurses because we think alike. Truly we are mostly cut from the same cloth, understand many things in the same way (especially people), share the same sense of humour, etc. Very important when you spend as much or more time with each other than your own friends and family.

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I don't know, without going full accelerationist, to me the silver lining and potential upside of this whole thing seems to be that it's really the ultimate "things cannot go on this way" wake-up call, if there's ever been one. Of course, things could potentially get a lot worse if the state does nothing but it seems like the closure of opera houses, VIP clubs and fancy restaurents will force the rich to make some concessions for once. In France, they've already passed things that would've seemed utterly unthinkable in the current political climate even a month ago (putting new money into the healthcare system instead of cutting, extending the due to date of rent payments for the month etc.). Even in Germany, the state's response has already exceeded what I expected. Obviously, the UKs initial reaction has been absolutely catastrophic but it seems like they're getting better now?


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I don't know, without going full accelerationist, to me the silver lining and potential upside of this whole thing seems to be that it's really the ultimate "things cannot go on this way" wake-up call, if there's ever been one.



Agree! Was just having the same conversation with one of my WhatsApp group chats.

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Strong case for UBI? Lews what is your insight? I understand the purpose, benefits, and implications only minimally (actually I just picked up a book - 'Give People Money' - so I can better understand, but haven't dug into it yet), so wondering what an expert such as yourself thinks?


Well, I am slightly biased, because I have been pro-UBI for years! (I think I first advocated for it around 2010.)

We're starting to see some movements that way, actually - Hong Kong is giving all residents ~$1,282 to help boost the economy, while German judges sneakily implemented a UBI of ~1000 a month last year.

But, yes, I absolutely think that in the present circumstances there should be at a minimum a temporary UBI. Partially to help people on hourly-contracts and can't work from home and partially just to put a big boost into demand when things calm down and we've gotten past the virus.

I'd combine this with lots of other fiscal and monetary tools, by the way. But it's definitely one fiscal tool I would like to see governments using right now, even if they stopped it 6 months from now or whenever.

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it seems like the closure of opera houses ... will force the rich to make some concessions for once.


Opera tickets aren't overly expensive and are not just for the rich [at least here in the UK].

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Well, I am slightly biased, because I have been pro-UBI for years! (I think I first advocated for it around 2010.)

We're starting to see some movements that way, actually - Hong Kong is giving all residents ~$1,282 to help boost the economy, while German judges sneakily implemented a UBI of ~1000 a month last year.

But, yes, I absolutely think that in the present circumstances there should be at a minimum a temporary UBI. Partially to help people on hourly-contracts and can't work from home and partially just to put a big boost into demand when things calm down and we've gotten past the virus.

I'd combine this with lots of other fiscal and monetary tools, by the way. But it's definitely one fiscal tool I would like to see governments using right now, even if they stopped it 6 months from now or whenever.



It just seems to be screaming evidence for implementing a UBI. Really curious to see what the world learns from this and how anything might change going forward.

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Sushipunk
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Well now I suspect maybe we've had the virus.


I'm actually wondering the same thing. I got the flu about a month ago, and my partner caught it off me. Clogged up sinuses, sore throat from all the coughing, fever and aches etc. At the time were joking about "lololol hope it's not coronavirus" but could it have been? Is it even possible to test for that now that the symptoms have gone?

It would be nice to know if we've already had it, because then we can relax knowing we won't get it again. Although I read somewhere (can't remember where, so no idea if the source is rubbish) that re-infection may be possible. Does anyone here have any info on that?


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