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Dykes_on_Jay
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Registered: Aug 2012
Location: Shenzhen LBC

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Originally posted by JEO
China is already in, or at least close to, their normality window. Let's see how they'll do.


Lol @ you believing Chinese data.


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JEO
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Registered: Jan 2010
Location: ATH

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Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay
Lol @ you believing Chinese data.


I don't believe in the numbers as they are, but I do believe in the trend. With the massive measures that they've taken, the spread is bound to slow down, no matter how much they'd lie about the actual numbers.

Old Post Mar-19-2020 15:19  Finland
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Dykes_on_Jay
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Registered: Aug 2012
Location: Shenzhen LBC

Wait for the 2nd wave. They've gone from campaigning in Italy with "Io non sono un virus," (I am not a virus) to "combat" "racism" (not shut borders...and that didn't work out so well.) to being Xenophobic af on the mainland right now, with the diaspora actually going back to China because they think it's safer. (My wife was like, "We can go back to China for a few months. (lolno)) While hand washing has certainly seen an uptick due to state propaganda, the majority of bathrooms in the country (including hospitals) still don't have soap or toilet paper.

When it comes to trying to get China's pulse simply by reading Western media, it's often an uphill battle because it's being written by someone with little cultural understanding and experience to be able to understand what they are actually seeing. Tons of "China experts" spreading pish, even though they've only visited as a tourist for a few weeks once. Take it all with a grain of salt. (Also, in "Communist" political top down structures, false data is king as promotions are dependent on only good news existing. It happened in the Soviet Union, and it's been happening in the PRC for the last 70)


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Lews
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Registered: Feb 2007
Location: Hugging Whales And Saving Trees

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I'm not talking about a lockdown in the sense of what's happening in Italy or Spain. I'm talking about the current state here in the UK, with schools about to close tomorrow. This cannot be sustained for 18 months, which is what the ICL report states is likely to be necessary.


I don't think the report states that it is likely to be 18 months to develop a vaccine, only that it might take that long.

They definitely aren't suggesting closing schools completely for 18 months.

quote:
To avoid a rebound in transmission, these policies will need to be maintained until large stocks of vaccine are available to immunise the population – which could be 18 months or more. Adaptive
hospital surveillance-based triggers for switching on and off population-wide social distancing and school closure offer greater robustness to uncertainty than fixed duration interventions and can be adapted for regional use... Given local epidemics are not perfectly synchronised, local policies are also more efficient and can achieve comparable levels of suppression to national policies while being in force for a slightly smaller proportion of the time. However, we estimate that for a national GB policy, social distancing would need to be in force for at least 2/3 of the time ... until a vaccine was available.


So, closing all schools for the rest of the school year, and then the possibility of periodic closures next school year decided at a more local level when/if necessary. Hopefully they won't be! But if they are, people will adapt. Ensure all children have internet access and computers, teach them all remotely, etc.

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Vector A
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Registered: Apr 2011
Location: U.S.

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Originally posted by Vector A
Yep, a number of anti-HIV drugs are being looked at. I've read multiple stories of patients recovering within days after starting on Kaletra. These are just anecdotes for now but multiple trials are underway.

Looks like Kaletra (lopinavir / ritonavir) was a flop in the first clinical trial:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.10...y=featured_home

On to other possibilities:

Chloroquine / hydroxychloroquine (treats malaria, small open-label trial in France looks promising)
Remdesivir (antiviral, still in trials, very limited availability)
Actemra (tocilizumab, immunosuppressant, being used in Italy, may limit damage done to lungs by cytokine storm)
Favipiravir (Japanese flu drug, China claims good results but they haven't published data yet)

Indomethacin (old NSAID) was shown to kill Sars-COV-1 in vitro and coronavirus infection in dogs but I haven't heard of any active research on it yet:

https://www.intmedpress.com/servefi...ad-e35f99be9211

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Zoso
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Registered: Mar 2006
Location: Dirty South, United States

It's scary how quickly these numbers are going up: https://www.bing.com/covid

Total was at 226,674 a little after 6 AM CDT this morning. Now at 4 PM CDT we are are 240,689 infected.

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Ted Promo
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Registered: Jun 2005
Location: Can this be my goal??!

Yeah, bc ppl are actually getting tested now. Kind of the point.

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Zoso
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Registered: Mar 2006
Location: Dirty South, United States

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Yeah, bc ppl are actually getting tested now. Kind of the point.


I didn't say it was or was not because of anything. I also didn't say there was or wasn't a point. But yeah, carry on.

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Ted Promo
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Registered: Jun 2005
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Just kinda weird to be like omg the numbers are going UP?? Crayyyy.

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Ted Promo
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Registered: Jun 2005
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What I find to be odd is that there aren’t any documented recoveries here in these States SO United yet. People must be holding onto this disease with dear life.

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SYSTEM-J
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Leeds

You need to present no symptoms for at least 72 hours to be declared recovered, and the disease runs for around 14 days for most people. 17 days ago this thread didn't even exist, so it's not entirely surprising that no one in the US has had time to recover yet.

It's truly remarkable how quickly this thing has escalated. Even at the weekend we were living completely normally and I was making plans with a friend to have a post-work drink this Friday. Now we're staring down the barrel of endless months with none of that.


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Zoso
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Registered: Mar 2006
Location: Dirty South, United States

quote:
Originally posted by Ted Promo
Just kinda weird to be like omg the numbers are going UP?? Crayyyy.


I didn't mean it's crazy that the numbers are going up. I simply meant that it's unreal at just how FAST they are going up. It's one thing to talk about it hypothetically or as, say, a movie plot. But it's surreal to watch them actually tick up in nearly real-time. It made sense in my head, at least.

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