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Lews
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We're so far behind on testing here in the US that I fear we'll be the next Italy. Private/for profit healthcare works when you just need to schedule a routine appt with your provider days/weeks/months in advance. It does fuck all during a pandemic/panic. P


A lot of the problems in the US have actually been because of government regulations limiting who was allowed to carry out tests :/

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Zoso
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A lot of the problems in the US have actually been because of government regulations limiting who was allowed to carry out tests :/


That is indeed, unfortunately, correct. This pandemic is going to shine a lot of light on just how broken our private, for profit system is here. Unfortunately, that system is dug in like a tick, and the people whom it makes VERY wealthy are going to fight HARD to keep it all in places, as is. And it won't be that difficult for them, really. I mean, my god, when all you have to do to keep your system in place and your pockets lined is cry "Socialism!" then you have very little to worry about. I don't know if we, as a nation will EVER get over the McCarthy years and fears. Not in my lifetime.

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Lews
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Originally posted by Zoso
That is indeed, unfortunately, correct. This pandemic is going to shine a lot of light on just how broken our private, for profit system is here. Unfortunately, that system is dug in like a tick, and the people whom it makes VERY wealthy are going to fight HARD to keep it all in places, as is. And it won't be that difficult for them, really. I mean, my god, when all you have to do to keep your system in place and your pockets lined is cry "Socialism!" then you have very little to worry about. I don't know if we, as a nation will EVER get over the McCarthy years and fears. Not in my lifetime.


Well, US health-care is not expensive because of the for-profit parts. It's actually far less profitable than health care in many countries, such as France, the UK, and Germany.

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SYSTEM-J
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Why not?


I think you should be explaining to me how we can. No public gatherings of people for a year. Schools closed and children at home for a year. The elderly isolated for a year. Travel banned for a year. Tell me how that is possible.


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The calculation is obviously whether it's worth blowing your load on a nationwide shutdown this early in an outbreak. Again, without having seen any modelling, I don't know the answer. But my gut feeling is it's too early right now.




Yeah it's more to do with flattening the curve (already mentioned this twice in this thread lol), so that the spread of infections slows to a point that the world's healthcare systems don't become overwhelmed. It *is* kind of a big deal.

Another case reported at the hospital I work at, and every single staff member who had close contact with the patient has been sent home to self isolate for 14 days. So now extra staff from anywhere in the hospital have to fill the vacant shifts. So what if THOSE staff get infected, bring it back to their home floor, and so on? Could wipe out the majority of staff for a couple months if that happens! And then imagine if we have to start admitting/treating people? Clusterfuck!

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I think you should be explaining to me how we can. No public gatherings of people for a year. Schools closed and children at home for a year. The elderly isolated for a year. Travel banned for a year. Tell me how that is possible.


I wish I had logical, specific examples and answers. But the truth is, we'll probably adapt in ways that no one ever expected/predicted. I don't think a prolonged, true "shutdown" is feasible. For example, someone will somehow have to deliver food stuffs to local grocery stores. Someone will have to deliver medicines to pharmacies. And so on. It may be that we, as societies, come up with new rules for how those goods are delivered, by whom, and then how we, as safely as possible, distribute them to the populace. Again, I don't know, specifically, how we'll do that. But I believe we will come up with systems/protocols for such, and I think many of them will be ways or combinations of ways that we've not yet thought of/predicted.

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Silky Johnson
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If we can maintain a flattened curve here, things will be getting back to normal by June, iiuc. So these shutdowns certainly do not have to last for a prolonged period - if countries get on top of it right away!

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Zoso
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Maybe some positive news?

https://7news.com.au/sunrise/on-the...a-cure-c-746508

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Yeah it's more to do with flattening the curve (already mentioned this twice in this thread lol), so that the spread of infections slows to a point that the world's healthcare systems don't become overwhelmed. It *is* kind of a big deal.


I'm presuming you didn't read the subsequent post I made about this.


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It never stops with this guy:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...us-vaccine-deal

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Silky Johnson
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I'm presuming you didn't read the subsequent post I made about this.




I did after I posted that. Which is why I posted again.

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You've not exactly shown your workings though. I'd love to see the actual modelling that has gone into these varying approaches.


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