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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee
oh and tiesto14...heres a link i want u to check out
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Yoepus said it best with his reply in the political forum:
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forgod's sake Renegade. I have previously held you in very high regard, especially with your insightful post on religion associated human psychology. However, you have seem to be lower yourself at least in my eyes by believing in such propostorous childish arguments.
Let me point it that it is 100% legal (and many would argue moral) to kill Enemy Combatents in time of war, with one exception - if they have surrendered (there are exceptions to that though too!).
As an aspiring political scientist, I happen to know my UN Charter, my Hague and Geneva Conventions, and my Nuremberg.
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Read the article (Section 6):
"The conduct violated the Charter of the United Nations, the Hague and Geneva Conventions, the Nuremberg Charter, and the laws of armed conflict."
Interesting, how in this good earth can the "killing of retreating soliders" be a violation of the UN Charter - A charter which does not even have any reference how wars should be conducted, it has no laws of war. It simpy has reference to when wars are justified (chapter 7).
All three Geneva convetions don't have any reference to the "neutrality" of retreating combatants.
Hague Convention is the "Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict" (http://www.icomos.org/hague/hague.convention.htm) and simpy is how to protect cultural relics and other formalities of conducting warfare.
Nuremberg is equally irrelevant - it simply states who and under what circumstances one can be tried for war crimes (http://www.deoxy.org/wc/wc-nurem.htm).
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Killing those who pose no threat to you - in violation of the laws governing warfare - is not "war", it's murder. Cold-blooded murder.
But what laws governing warfare? Surely not the laws found in Numberg, Hague, Geneva, or the UN charter.
Renegade, you used to be the sharp guy thinking before you believe what someone tells you, why are you blinded all of a sudden without questioning what you are told?
It is obviously a false statement they are making here in section 6, and as occider pointed out even if it is not, where is the evidence?
Please, revert to your old self be critical and critize (not only bush ).
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| DJ El Kay Dee |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
in NOWAY does your link show any basis for u posting Bush is as evil as Hussein...TRY AGAIN. |
hmm...over a page of just u and me defending our stances huh??
lemme quote myself from a few posts ago
| quote: | k heres a (hopefully) closing statement
its obvious why many are supportive of the war...its cos they are americans and of course one would be patriotic and support ur country..i wouldnt blame u for being patriotic....
we all have our views on this...however its not like things will change by us ponintlessly arguing it over here...
now that the war has started, all we can do is hope it will end VERY soon and that it wasnt a just a waste of resources...
i cant remember who assumed but no im not a muslim. im not even arab. i was born and raised in the middle east and have seen both sides to the stories..
and NO i dont think Hussein is a saint..but IMO Bush is as evil as him.. |
notice how only u sprouted up like an idiot??? now shutup and go to ur corner |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee
hmm...over a page of just u and me defending our stances huh??
lemme quote myself from a few posts ago
notice how only u sprouted up like an idiot??? now shutup and go to ur corner |
i sprouted up?..lol dude i have been defending America on TA since my first day here....not sure what u mean..lol...and wheres ur proof that Bush is as evil as Hussein?..i gave proof on Hussein...wheres yours?....thats right your opinion is based on > |
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| occrider |
and my own response, for good measure, after wasting 20 minutes reading that thhing :)
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Boy this article really had me fooled for a minute. It's got a very offical sounding name and it's a very official looking document but this "International War Crimes Tribunal" is not affiliated with the UN in any way! As a matter of fact it has NO jurisdiction or authoratative powers at all! It's part of an organization called International Action Center. Here's another "tribunal" being set up:
International Action Center - 11 Jun 1999
RAMSEY CLARK ANNOUNCES THE FORMATION OF COMMISSION OF INQUIRY FOR AN INTERNATIONAL WAR CRIMES TRIBUNAL
U.S./NATO WAR CRIMES WILL BE SUBJECT OF COMMISSION OF INQUIRY HEARING IN NEW YORK CITY ON JULY 31, 1999
A Commission of Inquiry for an International War Crimes Tribunal has been initiated by former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark. Mr. Clark is the chairperson of the International Action Center. The Commission of Inquiry will hold hearings to collect eyewitness, direct, and expert testimony, video footage, photographs, documents, and other evidence as part of an investigation into crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, and war crimes committed during the U.S./NATO bombing war against Yugoslavia.
The Commission of Inquiry will include international jurists, human rights activists, trade unionists, medical personnel, environmental experts, rank-and-file soldiers from NATO countries, and people who have been in Yugoslavia during the bombing.
It seems that this guy sets up a tribunal whenever the US or NATO utilizes its troops for anything haha! At any rate "article 6" states that:
6. The United States intentionally bombed and destroyed Iraqi military personnel, used excessive force, killed soldiers seeking to surrender and in disorganized individual flight, often unarmed and far from any combat zones and randomly and wantonly killed Iraqi soldiers and destroyed materiel after the cease fire.
Well where is its proof for all of this? It merely says at the end that "The members of the International War Crimes Tribunal finds each of the named accused Guilty on the basis of the evidence against them and that each of the nineteen crimes alleged in the Initial Complaint, attached hereto, has been established to have been committed beyond a reasonable doubt". What evidence??? I didn't see any ... did any of you?
And Renegrade even you must agree with me that this thing doesn't even remotely bear any impartiality. Hehe just look at the signatories of the "judges"! After their names there's a short snippet outlining each of their accomplishments. All of the signers are associated with anti-war movements!!! I was gonna eat my hat for a second there.
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| DJ El Kay Dee |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
i sprouted up?..lol dude i have been defending America on TA since my first day here....not sure what u mean..lol...and wheres ur proof that Bush is as evil as Hussein?..i gave proof on Hussein...wheres yours?....thats right your opinion is based on > |
:rolleyes: what i implied by my quoted post is taht i tried to close this useless debate which will achieve nothing and then u posted:rolleyes: |
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