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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by raver31
war is the only way out. iraq had in 12 years to disarm and they never bothered doing it. they deceived the inspectors, didnt comply with any orders and lied shamelessly. if the un council would still negotiate to pass a in resolution, this thing would drag forever. and its not like us is doing this by themselves. they have support of over 30 countries. and like stated before, france will join if iraq uses chemical weopons, which they will. so there is a great hope that other allies might join too.
i was watching a tv program yesterday about the iraq crisis . and this guy named paul wolfowitz, who's a deputy secretary of defence wrote a doctrine 12 years ago, expressing that the us will democratize the middle east, starting with iraq, then moving on to north korea, iran and other islam countries,. the doctrine was unsupported and not popular with the george bush administration at that time, because they didnt want to take this matter alone on their shoulders and were scared that they wouldn't have the world's confidence to back that idea up. and it never gained any interest and was thrown away. although it was a very ambitious one. however after september 11th, the george w bush administration turned back to that doctrine and made it clear that they would follow that policy stated there. i added this is cuz i thought it was interesting. |
Yes I saw that same documentary. It was two camps within Bush's administration. The "Hawk's" ie Wolfowitz who were more Regan like in terms of how they would try and change the world through its policies and then there is the other side of things, ie Powell who takes more of a management roll in the world and try to better guide certain countries toward a specific path, instead of trying to CHANGE IT (ie making assumptions of what is right/wrong in terms of Governments). I would take Powells side...managing the world is better than going and trying to outright change it. |
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| fr0st |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee
ok here are a couple of questions...
1. Why should Iraq disarm??what about USA???why can only USA have nukes and other weapons of mass destruction?
2. Wheres the proof that Iraq has violated the UN resolution 1441?
3. What makes America think they should interfere in the politics of any other country? who interferes in USA's politics? |
1) the US is not a threat to its neighboring countries
2) He was suposed to allow inspectors in at their convience instead he made them wait till either he wanted them in. Or it was convient for them..
3) Saddam harbors terrorist and they are a direct threat to the US if he wishes to support terrorism, he will pay the price...
On another note i was just thinking about this if the US were to shut down trade with all the other countries of the world, im sure most of the world would sink into a depression...I think a lot of people dont realize how many american good are exported and how man goods are imported into the country and with out these trades which most countries rely on...they would have nothing..... |
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| DJ El Kay Dee |
| quote: | Originally posted by fr0st
On another note i was just thinking about this if the US were to shut down trade with all the other countries of the world, im sure most of the world would sink into a depression...I think a lot of people dont realize how many american good are exported and how man goods are imported into the country and with out these trades which most countries rely on...they would have nothing..... |
well IMO, USA would "sink" as bad....as it is, we all know that USA is in severe debts right now (from what i heard several diplomats say recently in interviews) |
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| HardTrance81 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee
well IMO, USA would "sink" as bad....as it is, we all know that USA is in severe debts right now (from what i heard several diplomats say recently in interviews) |
WE ARE IN DEBT BECAUSE WE HAVE LENDED ALL OUR ING CASH TO EVERY ONE IN THE WORLD AND NO ONE HAS PAID US BACK!!!!!!
We owe the money to ourselves... nt any othe country... if you CAN READ why dont you look it up on the net and it will tell you where the money comes from and where it is spent....! THINK god damn it.... THINK!!!!!! |
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| DaveC |
| quote: | STRIKES TARGET SADDAM
War in the Gulf began today with pre-emptive missile strikes targeted at Saddam Hussein and other Iraqi leaders.
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It would be cool if they killed saddam and most of the leaders last night, then the war would be pretty much over in less than a day.
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| DaveSaenz |
| quote: | Originally posted by whiskers
i saw a part of bush's speech on tv today and he sounded totally like that guy from CJ Bolland - The Prophet. he was like "i have the keys and I decide who wins the war..." really cocky and really fake...
and there was some anti-french propaganda too. they were making fun of the french website, bretzelforbush.com or something. you pay them 7.50 and they send a pretzel to the white house, hoping that bush chokes on it and dies. it was so hilarious to watch the supposedly educated newsmen bash france... they were like "bretzel... pretzel was probably taken.. no, it's just that they can't spell... they're FRENCH! they CAN'T SPELL!!!"
i was like, wtf are you talking about, , americans are AMERICAN and their spelling is even worse!
mind me, that was FOX news channel, btw
so this whole news thing was a lame joke, imho. i wash my hands.
«Mystiq» GOD DAMNIT, EVERY TIME I SEE A NEW PICTURE OF BUSH I WANT TO GIVE HIM A BANANA |
Dude fox news is in kahoots (spelling?) with Rush LImbaugh and Dubya...I'd expect that kind of Bull from them. :rolleyes: |
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| DaveSaenz |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee
wow..i feel sorry for most of u who have posted here....how naive can u people be???
i would love to hear a justification for Bush's actions
over the past decade,asfar as my brain remembers, the US has done the following:
1. Kosovo. bombed the out of it, killed thousands of helpless civilians and "rebuilt" it
2. Afghanistan. Bombed the out of that too, killed thousansd of civilians and some canadian privates and "rebuilt" it
3. Now Iraq. same strategy.(only predictions here however)
hmm whats common in all these scenarios??
1. each of the locations are in prime locations in each continent.
-Kosovo is close to turkey, Poland, Greece, and pretty close to russia
-Afghanistan is neighboring pakistan and is close to India
-Iraq...take a wild guess....the heart of the middle east
2. milions spent on bombing the out of it, other countries feel sorry and help in rebuilding the bombed land thanks to the humanitarian state US puts it in.
3. US comes on top showing that they have rebuilt a better place when in reality, there is NO difference
4. Puppets of the US put in leadership of the country
5. US army bases set up in those locations for easier access to other countries that may spark an uproar agaisnt them.
heres the final question.
If an army is labeled "country X"'s army, why should there be bases set up in other countries?? |
If you're going to make things up, then at least make up the names of some sources too...
If you're from the middle east then you are probably Muslim correct??
I guess you have never seen pics from the Balkins of the concentration camps full of walking skeleton Muslims???? Or perhaps you have never read the accounts of how Milocevic's soldiers rounded up Albanians from their houses, separated the men of fighting age from the women and children, and shot the men to death. I have a "pen pall" from Holland whose brother in law is in Kosovo now trying to keep the Muslims and Serbs from killing each other. It's an international effort, so don't use it to spread your anti-U.S. hatred. |
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| DaveSaenz |
| quote: | Originally posted by HardTrance81
Hey, can you post your sources on how we killed thousands in kosovo and in the afghanistan? And if you can post some info on how other countries feel bad for places we have attacked and helped.... last i knew it was U.S. Policy to rebuild any country that we attacked..... this has been since at least world war two..... and no one ever helps except for the British. by the way, are you french-canadian? any how..... u.s. claims these places are better but in reality there are no diffrent? since when have you been in afghanistan, or Kosovo? Did you take pictures? if so why don't you post a few.......
here's alittle Kosovo timeline:
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1998/10/kosovo/timeline/
Kosovo death toll:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/515350.stm
i could be blind... maybe i can't read between the lines, but let me know if you find thousands of the dead killed by the americans..... |
Thanx man. YOu said it better than I could have, and provided real sources. U.S. had INt. support on both Kosovo and AFghanistan....
The support is more limited for the war on Iraq because there is no clear link between Saddam and terrorists. |
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