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Gating a Pad
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| Etherium |
| I read in article somewhere a producer describing how he gated a pad with a drum loop or synthie, I can't remember which. How would one go about doing something like this? I kinda know the general idea of what he is talking about, like you run the loop through the inputs of the synth and use an envelope follower or something, but that is about all I know. Any help would be nice.:conf: |
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| Michael Russo |
I'm not quite sure how you could do it "properly" in a completely digital studio (although I think this is no problem for Logic users)... there may be some workarounds necessary for other hosts. For example, if VST plugins could communicate with each other, then this, theoretically, is not hard to do. However, you aren't really seeing that... the only VSTfx's I know of that talk to each other are some Pluggo plugins.
Anyways... anyone, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. |
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| brash |
I'm not sure what you are talking about exactly, but it sounds like you might be talking about the effect from sidechain compression. Is the effect that the pad fades out when the drum kicks, then back in when the drum is off? (Like a sort of thunk-waaaa-thunk-waaaa-thunk-waaaa sound.)
If this isn't what you want, explain the effect in a little more detail... :) |
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| Flotser |
i guess that if you give your pad a long release, you can use the cut\cut by option of fruity, making the pad get cut by the drums....
and the long release will make it sound fading and cool :cool:
i hope i said something that makes sense :crazy: |
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| moog_baby |
If the your trying to gate a synth you can just do it by midi..this is the case weather using a vsti or a hard synth, just draw in the pattern with the volume level (cubase..) if you want to use a hard compressor plugged into a mixing desk just plung in a drumloop ?(4/4) or such like into the sidechain of your compressor/gate and the beat will drive it GATES : http://www.computermusic.co.uk/tuto...s2/effects2.asp
COMPRESSION:http://www.computermusic.co.uk/tuto...s1/effects1.asp
you can finf what you want on these links.. |
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| gareth |
| sorry to ask ... what is gating a pad? wut does it do? |
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| TranceInMySoul |
gareth: Gating is basically turning a sound source on and off (or, more advanced, changing the volume of the sound up and down). It's an effect much used in trance :)
If you want a plugin to do the gating for you, try scuzzphat cos it's amazing, and free :D |
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| Etherium |
| Brash, my post was a little incomplete b/c I was lazy. Yeah, exactly, the guy in the article I was reading was talking about using sidechain to do the gating. That, specifically, is what I would like to know how to do. |
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| gareth |
oh is it for build ups where the sound goes up and down very fast?
if so i do that in logic using the auto filter keke |
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| brash |
| quote: | Originally posted by Etherium
Brash, my post was a little incomplete b/c I was lazy. Yeah, exactly, the guy in the article I was reading was talking about using sidechain to do the gating. That, specifically, is what I would like to know how to do. |
Ok, I've never used any sidechain anything except sidechain compression using a particular effect in Buzz. So I probably can't describe it in a way that you can then go and set it right up in whatever program you use. There may be such a thing as sidechain gating (I don't know).
I'll describe the concept of sidechain compression. I'll assume you understand normal compression... if you don't, check out http://www.harmony-central.com/Effe...es/Compression/ for info on it. (That explains it better than I could.) Sidechain compression is just using the input levels of a second source, instead of the input levels of the source you are compressing.
If there is such a thing as sidechain gating (I don't see why there couldn't be), the idea would be the same. Gating (if you don't know) is when you have some threshold and cut the levels (i.e. set to -infinity) anything below that thresh hold. Unlike compression, there is no reduction according to some ratio. You are either on (above the threshold) or off (below the threshold). So "sidechain gating" would, I guess, be on or off depending on the levels of a second source.
Hope that helps. |
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| Havok1200 |
In Cubase VST 5.1 there is a MIDI Gate.
Make your pad in the synth. Next create a copy of what sound(whether bassdrum(lame if 4 to the floor), percs, synth, hats,etc.) you want the gate to follow. Have this to follow whatever pattern length your pad is. Go into the PAD fx's insert track insert "MIDI Gate". Go back to the sequencer page. The duplicate that you made go to the output click and choose "MIDI Gate". Go back to the PAD click on edit "MIDI Gate". In there on the lower right there is a switch to turn on and off. Turn it on. If you press play you'll probably won't hear anything because you got to fiddle with the knobs. One control the sensitivity to velocity, how quick the gate is shut, how long it held, just like an envelope. Give that a try!
Umm that fruity cut thin don't work it just stops the sound permenantly not tempoary like a gate. Remember a gate is similar to talking into a fan or rapidly/slowly covering your mouth in spurts. Besides if I'm wrong please correct me about Fruity not having a gate. |
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| brash |
| quote: | Originally posted by Havok1200
Remember a gate is similar to talking into a fan or rapidly/slowly covering your mouth in spurts. |
That sounds more like a gapper/slicer effect to me. You could achieve it with a gate effect, though.
Gating is when you don't allow dB levels below a certain threshold to get through. It gives things a sort of on-or-off feel. For example, you could get rid of the tail of a cymbal crash by running it through a gate; so it would be a crash, and then silence, instead of a crash that fades away (and note that it isn't just a very fast fade -- it would fade to the threshold and then actually be silence).
So by rapidly changing the threshold of a gate, you could produce a gapper effect.
Unless I understand gating wrong, which is, of course, possible. :) |
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