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| JM |
hmmm...lets see.
i've been PULLED a gun on, peacefully walking down a rural street heading home.
a friend of mine, who "packs" scared off an intruder breaking into his truck by pointing his GLOCK at the bastard.
now that's both some messed up stuff.
i don't own guns, and am not sure whether i will or want to...
although, i do like shooting them - either at the range, or in the boonies into the gravel pit.
i've shot:
*12-gauge remington shotgun - the short barrel personal defense and the long barrel hunting shotgun.
*.22 caliber semi-automatic rifle.
*Glock 45
*Smith & Wesson .357
*SKS Chinese semi-automatic assault rifle - 31 bullet magazine:D
i should scan some of my targets after shooting at them:eyes:
damn i got a good eYe;)
heh..i guess i've felt the need to say all this...
oh, the glock 45 - one hell of a gun, no wonder the DEA agents use it!
>JM<
ps. NO i do not shoot these guns lika a 'gangsta' with the gun positioned sideways;) |
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| nrjizer |
What Anti-Gun people dont understand is that even if you outlawed guns tomorrow, criminals would still get and wield them. It may become more difficult, but they would still get them. I gaurantee it. Just look at what good outlawing drugs has done to stop people from getting them. If guns are outlawed, and criminals still have them, what is to stop a criminal from carjacking, shooting folks, and breaking into as many houses as he pleases? There would be no guns in the hands responsible citizens to protect themselves. YOU try fighting off an intruder with a kitchen knife.
Ive yet to see anyone present a feasible solution to this problem. |
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| montie |
| quote: | Originally posted by nrjizer
What Anti-Gun people dont understand is that even if you outlawed guns tomorrow, criminals would still get and wield them. It may become more difficult, but they would still get them. I gaurantee it. Just look at what good outlawing drugs has done to stop people from getting them. If guns are outlawed, and criminals still have them, what is to stop a criminal from carjacking, shooting folks, and breaking into as many houses as he pleases? There would be no guns in the hands responsible citizens to protect themselves. YOU try fighting off an intruder with a kitchen knife.
Ive yet to see anyone present a feasible solution to this problem. |
many people keep prosenting the arguement that people need guns to protect themselves.
How many times have you heard that a gun was useful in repelling or saving the life of an innocent victim?
(i'm not talking about gang members needing guns to protect themselves from rival gangs and such, as you said, and I agree with, those people who really want guns will obtain them illigally).
Now compare this number to the amount of people or children who are killed in gun accidents.
I live in a pretty bad part of Los Angeles and i've never felt the need to carry around a fire arm.
If you are so concerned with protecting yourself, get a tazer or mace.
Besides, does someone who enters your home to steal your TV or Stereo deserve to die? |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by nrjizer
What Anti-Gun people dont understand is that even if you outlawed guns tomorrow, criminals would still get and wield them. It may become more difficult, but they would still get them. I gaurantee it. Just look at what good outlawing drugs has done to stop people from getting them. If guns are outlawed, and criminals still have them, what is to stop a criminal from carjacking, shooting folks, and breaking into as many houses as he pleases? There would be no guns in the hands responsible citizens to protect themselves. YOU try fighting off an intruder with a kitchen knife.
Ive yet to see anyone present a feasible solution to this problem. |
This argument was already presented and discussed ... read former posts of this thread. If you disagree with the counterarguments argue those rather than repost the same argument. |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | | If you are so concerned with protecting yourself, get a tazer or mace. |
If someone with a gun breaks into your house, you won't scare him off with a tazer or a mace.
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Besides, does someone who enters your home to steal your TV or Stereo deserve to die? |
No, but that person can be scared away with a gun. |
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| NFA |
| quote: | Originally posted by JM
i've shot:
*12-gauge remington shotgun - the short barrel personal defense and the long barrel hunting shotgun.
*.22 caliber semi-automatic rifle.
*Glock 45
*Smith & Wesson .357
*SKS Chinese semi-automatic assault rifle - 31 bullet magazine:D
i should scan some of my targets after shooting at them:eyes:
damn i got a good eYe;)
heh..i guess i've felt the need to say all this...
oh, the glock 45 - one hell of a gun, no wonder the DEA agents use it!
>JM<
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being ex-army, i've fired all kinds of , including rockets. i have to say, the novelty wore off after about 3 days...
i really don't get people who get a kick out of holding/firing wapons. yeah, i know they make u feel powerful, but that's what scared me about carrying them.
anyway, gun laws and crime aren't necessarily related. switzerland has some of the most liberal gun laws in the world, in fact all men aged 18-35 r eligiable for national service and get a fully automatic assault rifle from the government, yet it also has one of the lowest crime rates. but then it's a rich country with a highly educated population.
on the other hand, i believe that the more guns there r around, the more likely they r to b used. we r all human, and even a peaceful non-violent person can go ape sometimes, so it's best not to have a gun on 1 at anytime. |
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| nrjizer |
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Now compare this number to the amount of people or children who are killed in gun accidents. |
This is due to ignorant parents. When I was little (3 or so) my dad pulled his revolver down from the closet and showed it to me, and told me not to mess with it or play with it or any gun, because of what it could do. And from then on, I knew better than to play with them. A quick round of parenting goes a long, long way.
| quote: | If you are so concerned with protecting yourself, get a tazer or mace.
Besides, does someone who enters your home to steal your TV or Stereo deserve to die? |
A tazer or mace will do absolutely to someone whos pointing a gun at you. And if someone breaks into my house to steal my TV with the intent of shooting me should I try to confront him, and it would potentially save my life, then yes, he does deserve to at least get shot. |
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| montie |
| quote: | Originally posted by nrjizer
This is due to ignorant parents. When I was little (3 or so) my dad pulled his revolver down from the closet and showed it to me, and told me not to mess with it or play with it or any gun, because of what it could do. And from then on, I knew better than to play with them. A quick round of parenting goes a long, long way.
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of course it is due to ignorant parents, and when you keep guns legal and as easily available as they currently are in the states these ignorant parents are going to be able to get ahold of guns easily and their kids or someone is going to end up being the victim of an accident.
My dad also showed me his hunting shotgun when i was really young and told me to never touch it and how dangerous it was.
I never tried to mess with it. He taught me how to shoot a gun when we went hunting and taught me how to respect them.
Just because my dad and your dad were responsible with their weapons doesnt justify keeping them as readily available as they are now.
(I'm not arguing for the ban of all guns. If you read my earlier posts I present the arguements of regulations i thought would be appropriate).
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A tazer or mace will do absolutely to someone whos pointing a gun at you. And if someone breaks into my house to steal my TV with the intent of shooting me should I try to confront him, and it would potentially save my life, then yes, he does deserve to at least get shot. |
Not everyone who enters your home is going to have a gun and/or is wanting to kill you.
I'd like to see some statistics of how many documented times that a gun was necesary in saving the life of an innocent person being assaulted by someone with intent to kill (in the United States).
So many people bring up the arguement that guns are necesary for protection, but I have yet to see any thing that shows me a corralation between thse two things. |
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