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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mental Exodus
No my fine southern peer it is not, its rare that we see shootings and other crime here in the cold northern colection of igloos as we arent allowed to have handguns and most of the guns that are involved in crime here are in fact smuggled in from none other than our southern brothers. other than the recent over crack down on the law bideing owners and the ever increasing taxation of related sports our laws keep us safe and allow us to use them respondsibly for fun.
GO CANADA!!! ;) |
Hehe I don't understand ... you attribute your low crime rate to the fact that handguns are banned and then you tell us that we shouldn't bother with gun control because it's impossible to attain? Something doesn't seem to fit wtih that logic. |
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| King_Mack |
| quote: | | i think that is kind of narrow minded-ness because i can think of many ways an intent of gun would not be to maim or kill. the examples being, me wanting to go to a shooting range just for stress relief, or shooting skeet or even coke cans for personal pleasure, or the feeling of security it may give me knowing i can defend my home. |
main reason why the gun was invented was a better military weapon and not a recreational tool
| quote: | | Guns invented in the late 1400's were a new generation in fighting. Cannons also evolved during the early 1500's. Guns were not very accurate, but very expensive. Weapons were essential to the king's land, and to peoples lives. |
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they were speaking in regards to military.
However, as humans, our lust for powerful machines that have the power to destroy taken over us, and we got rid of our swords and bow&arrows to use this killing machine to make our hunting lives easier. I dont think its narrow minded to think that the intent of a gun is to maim or kill, cuz thats what the original idea was. Just because we chose bring out other uses for the weapon. But there are alternatives to some of the activies you wrote above...of which occrider has mentioned.
I think guns should be banned, but its not gonna happen so maybe stricter licensing/laws. A highly secured housing facility to store these weapons for gaming hunters would be nice as well. It wont erase all the problems, but itll help :) |
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| nrjizer |
Ahh the political forum... I fancy the heated debate from time to time, I should come here more often. ;)
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
The intent of a gun is to maim or kill. |
Correct, but their use can meet many different circumstances. One of them being to protect. Banning guns would do nothing but take them out of law abiding citizens who want to protect themselves and their families. Just look what good outlawing drugs has done. People still get and use them. Even on this very forum, many people regularly take illegial substances. Guns are no different. Criminals will still get them and use them. There is no possible way to completely abolish guns. And when one of those maniacs wants to break into my house, tie me up and rob me, prehaps planning to kill me afterwards, what will I do to protect myself if guns are banned? Weild a kitchen knife? Surrender to his demands?
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
However I would rather relinquish that satisfaction if it results in a significant decrease of crime. Call me narrowminded, but I think public safety in this case outweighs personal enjoyment. |
Like I said, criminals will still get guns. If responsible citizens don't have them, the shift of power would be completely tilted to the criminal. Crime rates would likely sky rocket. I dont know if you have ever lived in a rough area, but the city I used to live in got pretty bad before I moved out. Several homes in my neighborhood were broken in to. Gang grafitti was everywhere. My friend got chased around the high school by gang members wanting to kill him for wearing a Green Day shirt. Just around the corner from me, 3 guys got held at gun point for their money; one was shot and killed, the other shot but survived, and the last one got away. The same gang that chased my friend shot and killed someone at the soccer fields just down the road that I used to practise at three times a week. I still love that town and really it wasnt that bad of a place to live, but the way it had gotten, I wouldnt really feel safe living there without a gun.
EDIT: forgot to mention a little town near here called Kennesaw (in Georgia)... In Kennesaw, EVERY owner of a home is required by law to own a firearm. Crime rates are very low.... look them up. |
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| Renegade |
| quote: | | Even though my stance is anti-gun (or at least anti handgun), there is something that i want to point out. In Australia, the made owning a gun illegal. in the weeks following home invasions in australia went up about 400% or so i think. I don't have specific information or sources on this, maybe our friend renegade can help? |
Yeah I heard about that. There was a piece circulating on the internet about it, and then Charlton Heston made up some statistics about it in an empassioned NRA commercial as well. Fact is, though, it's completely false:
http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/ausguns.htm |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by nrjizer
Correct, but their use can meet many different circumstances. One of them being to protect. Banning guns would do nothing but take them out of law abiding citizens who want to protect themselves and their families. Just look what good outlawing drugs has done. People still get and use them. Even on this very forum, many people regularly take illegial substances. Guns are no different. Criminals will still get them and use them. There is no possible way to completely abolish guns. And when one of those maniacs wants to break into my house, tie me up and rob me, prehaps planning to kill me afterwards, what will I do to protect myself if guns are banned? Weild a kitchen knife? Surrender to his demands?
Like I said, criminals will still get guns. If responsible citizens don't have them, the shift of power would be completely tilted to the criminal. Crime rates would likely sky rocket. I dont know if you have ever lived in a rough area, but the city I used to live in got pretty bad before I moved out. Several homes in my neighborhood were broken in to. Gang grafitti was everywhere. My friend got chased around the high school by gang members wanting to kill him for wearing a Green Day shirt. Just around the corner from me, 3 guys got held at gun point for their money; one was shot and killed, the other shot but survived, and the last one got away. The same gang that chased my friend shot and killed someone at the soccer fields just down the road that I used to practise at three times a week. I still love that town and really it wasnt that bad of a place to live, but the way it had gotten, I wouldnt really feel safe living there without a gun.
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So the solution is to let every dolt own a gun? I'm sorry but the solution to the problem of society having too many dangerous firearms isn't to pump MORE firearms into society. Yes criminals can still get guns but it's a lot easier for criminals to get guns in a country where guns are legal than in a country where they are banned. Besides, most of the cases you mentioned are of common thugs having guns. If guns were banned throughout, the price of guns are going to skyrocket, it's goign to be a lot harder getting a gun, and more often than not you will never be confronted in situation where someone will assault you with a gun. The only criminals that would be able to get a gun would be professional high rollers that likely only the police need to worry about. I say Europe and Canada have the right idea with regards to gun control.
Do you really want people like this having access to a gun?
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/02/24/s...g.ap/index.html |
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