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| DJ Charlie |
Do we have to put the needles on full weight everytime we spin at a club ? First time I went to play at a local club.. a guy told me I had to do so cause there's too much bass in clubs...
do we really have to do this ? I mean... gosh the record's grooves are gonna be finished ! how long can records support such weight.
I don' really care about the needles... my records are my babies. |
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| DJ_Shockwav |
i'm not too sure about full weight, but i do know that with clubs and raves and the like, you'll want to have the needles at their maximum recommended weight setting or even higher
there's a lot of bass happening on big systems
so obviously you'll have to have a bit of weight to keep the needle from jumping with every beat
sure this will wear your records out quicker than playing at home
but it's not like they'll be unplayable afterwards |
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| JohnSmith |
yeah, if you are near a lot of bass, you will need more weight. but, if the system is properly set up, everything should be isolated from the tables that it shouldn't matter.
the table should be insulated from the floor, and the decks should be insulated from the table.
ideally, you will have your speakers hanging from the roof on chains, at least the big ones. if not they should be placed where the vibrations cannot travel directly to the decks, but rather have to go through the air, or a lot of floor space.
if your bass is skipping your needles through the air from more than 10 feet away, then it's WAY too ing loud anyway.
you shouldn't have to go more than 4g of weight ever imo. |
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| Cosmic Realm |
| quote: | Originally posted by JohnSmith
you shouldn't have to go more than 4g of weight ever imo. |
you sure about that??? :conf: becuase my needles say 3 - 6 grams and iv always used the middle weight so i have em set at 4.5 that okay or should i just go with 4?? :conf: or 3.5 i dont know:crazy: :eyespop: |
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| JohnSmith |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cosmic Realm
you sure about that??? :conf: becuase my needles say 3 - 6 grams and iv always used the middle weight so i have em set at 4.5 that okay or should i just go with 4?? :conf: or 3.5 i dont know:crazy: :eyespop: |
no, i am not sure about that. if it reccomends 3 - 6 grams then by all means stay within that range.
what you should do is, put the needle on, balance it, put to the minimum reccomended weight. if it skips, then add more weight. repeat until it's working good. you want as little weight as you can have without skipping, so your records and needles don't get worn out.
oh, and nell? your a wanker! :) |
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| The Greener |
The Technics wheel will take a pounding, but IMO think that the wheels should be isolated better. I am currently looking for a fluid type damper pads or such to fit under each leg.... Of course your table would have to allow the wheel to "float" and isolate the table and turntable. I remember seeing them somwhere and they were cheap.
I have played at some scary volumes and never had jump due to Bass. Most are caused by asswipes scrwn around.
I go 2.5 - 3.0 new stylii, 3.5 old stylii, works for me and the way I handle records. BUT!!!! do what works for you and your system and style.
BTW If the dude/dudette before you didn't jump, you ain't either unless your records are overplayed. Unless you feel an absurd amount of weight on the arm, Don't round with the weight. If you do feel too much weight, rebalance the tone arm. Beware who plays at the venue, cause scratchers use mass weight, too much weight makes records sound like !! |
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| DJ Kibon |
...not entirely sure of this, but when DJ Tiesto played locally, it sort of looked like his tables were on floating shock absorbers.
Didn't get close enough to take a detailed look, but they appeared to be more than just flight cases from a distance. |
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| quddha |
when i play at home, i have it on 2.5ish
developes that soft touch. ;) |
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| The Greener |
Like everyone seems to agree, its based on the rig up supporting the wheels. I have used my m3d & GMII's in different situations and required more weight because of the poorly dampened(or noted by one "shock absorbers")of just plain jane wooden tables.
My home table is 4" Thick (clear laquered) Kiln Dried Hemlock,with the wheels and console sunk making the top totally flush mounted. I got the wood and help for nothing from my bros.That wood altough very pleased with the result, was a nightmage to work with. Being kiln dried made it like concrete when driving pre-assy nails. All holes had to be pre-drilled or it split into scrap pcs.I mostly used 7/8" dowels, glue & clamped force.
The table is solid but still requires dampening. The Cast alumium
body technicsand solid table seem to give a louder thug when taping the turntable. I was not surprised this would happen. although being able to strike the table with a hammer without skipping,iwas not concerned at that BUT the harmonics that may produced through the table from the music. I am not gonna use cheap rubber or neoprene but a viscous fluid type. Springs are out of the question. I remember seeing these somewhere for cheap, will some more to find out.
Any suggestions??? I tried a waterbed, but the second the Viagra kicked in, the wheels where thrown to the floor. Never take that again!! |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
IM basically reviving this thread.. giving some more information and wanting some answers as well if its possible...
A couple of days ago i was spinning at this big club in toronto, I Was using weighted stanton needles. The supports for the turntables were rubber bunjie cords in a box supposedly to help absorb the bounce of the turntables due to the bass
The weight on the tunrtable had to be tunrned arround to get access weight on the needle ( I know this is not good for the vinyl!) so it was passed the maximum regular. Even after this it still started to skip until the sound tech guy moved the platter under the weight up a bit. Hrmm i wonder if he was doing the right thing or not. It was harsh on my vinyls there must be a more logical way to do it. The sound wasnt even that loud!
The problem was every time i touched the pitch controll i would risk making the turntable skip because of all the bouncing going around due to the bunjie type cords
any suggestions on what i should od on my next gig?
Thanks |
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| mantisnl |
| i allways use maximum weight.. it doesn`t wear out vinyls as much they say.. i haven`t heard/found any problems so.. |
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