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KRK Rokit Powered 6 G2 Limited Edition Studio Monitor (pg. 2)
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| Looney4Clooney |
I 've always had this opinion that as longs you know your monitor , you can get decent results. Although the cheapest monitors I've everusedwere the Yamaha hs80.
I could not buy anything called rockit unless herbyhanhad his hand in it. |
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| Nightshift |
| quote: | Originally posted by J.L.
Well, they are cheap for a reason. I don't see why people try to give a seemingly objective opinion on a brand of monitors and draw their experiences from other monitors that are marketed for other purposes at a different price range.
Rokits are good for DJing and listening to music, and the problem with them is that your mixes will sound good through those speakers too easily when with most others they will sound terrible. They won't give you that accurate flat imaging for more serious producers and you shouldn't expect to for about 150-200$ per speaker. |
define "serioues producers" lol. dude speakers are like DAWs, you use what you prefer. it doesnt deteremine your "seriousness" at all. i know fools who make prime off of M Audio BX8a speakers and quite frankly i think they are a joke. its not the speakers most of the time, its your room acoustics and your familiarity/liking to their sound signature.
people need to stop judging p roducers on what they use. in the end all that matters is you getting the job done no matter what you use. *read my sig*
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| Looney4Clooney |
| Serious producers have a fridge stocked with premium lager , at least 3 choices of 20+ single malt and 4 bottles of bubbly for the homos and ladies. And a humidor. It is all in the small details. |
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| DJ RANN |
Oh for 's sake, I said I didn't want to get involved for the ing millionth time.
If you won't listen to informed people such as tehlor and fledz on this subject, LET ME SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU.
KRK's ARE HORRID LITTLE YELLOW CONED MOUNDS. Fine for Dj'ing but there are at least a dozen other montitors that offer both better performance and value for the same if not less money.
Here's why (from another thread, that lready addressed the issue that this had been covered a thousand times before with detailed information):
| quote: | Originally posted by DJAnthonyRoss
def try the Focal's man and the Adam's. You can't trust online reviews until you've heard them yourself. I abused guitar centers 30 day return policy, i tried 4 sets of speakers before i picked |
Same here. I drove my local GC's (two of them) ing crazy testing for hours over several weeks.
Nik, here's some previous posts to save you trawling through tons of threads.....
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
tbh, the mackie HR824 are known for, if anything, sounding a bit too sweet (if you disclude that muddy bit and scoop between upper bass and lower mid), so you're going to be hard pushed to find something that rapes you less.
The only monitors I can think of are going to set you back some serious coin:
Focal twins ($2k).
Quested VS2108 ($3k pair)
Barefoots ($4k)
PMC MB2's ($10k pair)
I've used all of them (the Quested and PMC's we have at the studio) and I think the first three on that list would be a great upgrade (especially the Focals or Barefoots) but honestly I would exhaust all other possibilities first - If you're getting fatigue with HR824's then maybe your room and listening position need to be looked at.
Is your monitor system calibrated to the K ssystem - if not I think this is probably going to change everything for you as you physically can't clip without making your ears bleed an it teaches you monitor at suitable volumes. |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
I explained everything in this thread. You can't ever really do a fully scientifically controlled test unless you had a completely controlled environment and the space to set them up so you could A/B all of them without interference.
The best I could do was a comparitive test, taking the environment and placement in to consideration, so really they were all subject to the same disadvantages, then seeing if that same flaw (and positives) presented in the other listening environments, to really see if they were common traits of each monitor. I'm also an engineer so I've used a lot of monitors professionally and some of my feedback is based on my experience in professional studio environments (not bedroom or project studios).
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...d=&pagenumber=5 |
And from the above thread.....
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Finally, I've had time to sit down and write a review.
Preface: I listened to every monitor they had at two different guitar centers and one other pro audio store. I listened to mainly electronic music (becuase the whole point of this was it's for us) but also checked some classical such as Chopin, Bach and Bartok for more diverse reference. I used the same music sources and went on several occaisions. Bear in mind this is a comparitive test in every sense; going from my hifi speakers at home (Scnadyna Minipods) and Custom Quested VS2108's and B&W 802's (albeit less experience on the latter two for electronic music but still having referenced all the test material first on these several times). This was not a blind test but but I tried to remain objective between models on really noting differences first then overall perception. I set the monitors and the system so the volumes were as equal as could get them so A/Bing would be accurate with the same material. I don;t care for aesthetics ubnless the thing is just plain fugly, in which case I'll state it. Finally this is all my own subjective opinion.
This thread is about monitors, for the studio to the review I did is with that in mind as the primary requisite.
I'll start with the most noticeable things in no particular order:
Firstly, nearly all the 5 inch monitors, from every brand fell short in bass and/or mid reproduction. The ones that really felt lacking compared to their larger same brand alternatives were the KRK's and the Yama's, partly becuase the larger version were quite good and partly becuase the smallers were so bad.
The mackies/tapco's in 5 inch sizes (mr5's etc) were lacking a lot of detail but probably good for small home DJ setup and these went seroiusly loud before distorting. The HR624 were very crisp in the upper mids and hi's and but had so much bass response lacking they would be unusable for a serious monitoring setup. I would find it quite difficult to get a bass mix right on these without secondary referencing.
The bluesky monitors were good, if not some of the best smaller monitors but not quite enough to challenge the bigger monitors. They wer well balanced with good detail and a good amount of bass for their size but it did get a little muddy in the upper mid and the very low bass rolled off sharply. These were also quite pricey for what they were bearing in mind their competition.
The mackie HR824's were, at one point my monitor of choice, and even though a large part of mixing with monitors is knowing them, the more I've got to know them the less I like them. I find their mids very pronounced, bass hugely extended and hi's generally good. However, they have one of the biggest (and misleading) stereo spreads combinedwith a hige sweet spot meaning mixes done on them that sound wide and full come out narrow and lacking on most other systems. Also the bass is becoming my main gripe with these. I used to love it, but now I find a definite muddyness in between the lower mid and bass and have problems listening to subtle differences in these bands to the point I can;t hear what's going on. Don;t get me wrong - these are good monitors, but personally, I wouldn't shell out the $1000 per pair anymore as there's others that do a great job....
The KRK's: I would go through the models individually but all them (yes all of them) suffered from one common problem: there was this lack of fine detail accross the whole rnage of frequencies. It's wierd - none of them stood out as terrible but because of this problem, none of them stood out as fantastic. It's like a screen of material was placed over the driver. In fact the VRX8 were quite difficult to hear what was going on at all becuase like the mackies they suffer from the huge and unnatural stereo image. They were my least favourite 8inch monitors.
of the larger monitors (6inch+) , the ones that stood out were the Dynaudios BM5A, BM6A, Adam A7, Quested F11, Yamaha HS80m.
The dynaudios were superb in detail with strangly enough the BM5a's sounding slightly more natural than the BM6's due to the overall balance of the frequencies. The BM6 have more bass but the detail was just outstanding on the BM5's. The only critiscism of the BM5's was that they did lack bass slightly - It's like they slowly roll of at 100hz but that was the only flaw I could find and that can be adjusted for. They also did not change frequency balance depending on gain, which the BM6's did ever so slightly (bass got a tiny bit more pronounced as you went higher).
The Adam A7's were simply incredible with Hi's - crisp and sizzling, nothing else came close but the mid and bass felt lacking and they were not as clear as the Dynaudios and would not give a true representation of bass frequencies I felt.
The HS80's were quite great in general. The bass full and deep without being muddy or overpowering, the mids nice and clear and the hi's just nice and present. I felt you could listen to these for hours and they wouldn't even take long to get used to. The only problem is that you need a bog room as they begin to boom in a smaller room (as one of the test sites did). They don't have a misleading huge stereo image and I felt quite comfortable hearing productions I've made. These were in my top three especially as they are cheaper than a lot of other monitors.
Alesis m1 mk2 - not massively impressed but the again I never have been with these. They're not terrible and you can mix on them but again I find the lack of definition annoying, especially in the bass frequences.
Now for the surpise.....the moonitors that got me to part with money?
JBL LSR 2325 - New 5 inch monitors from JBL. Why? becuase for $400 (less with my discount ;) ) nothing else in that price bracket sounded anywhere near as good. I was torn between the HS80's (too big) the BM5's (too much $$$) or these. They are small, clear powerhouses! The bass is sharp and defined, the mids clear and punchy without being boxed in and the hi's are just right to give detail without inducing fatigue (hi's are what always get me tired in a session). The main thing I like is that it's like having larger monitors wihout needed the space for them, They sound like 6 or 8 inch monitors in terms of bass response but can be used in small room. The stereo image is broad but not too wide and so far translation is so easy. No weird spikes or compensation. There were no reviews on these anywhere (they were only out for 4 days when I bought them) so I was taking a big chance but I can say that after two weeks of owning them I am seriously pleased. honestly nothing comes close at this price and they just destroyed every other monitor in terms of perforamnce at that price range. |
Sorry for the wall of text, but honestly it's all been covered before. I may do an update in the next few months to see if any new offering change my mind but for the mmediate future this info still stands completely true for me.
Finally, don't take an SOS review for anything other than a press release, bought and paid for by companies (in this KRK) that take nice chunks of advertising in pages. And that's aside from the fact it is from 2008 and there have been at least 3 other better monitor models launched in that price range since then. I used to work for a company that got favorable reviews due to the sums spent on advertising - they would skim over or even omit negatives about a product, and highlight the positives. |
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| tehlord |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
I used to work for a company that got favorable reviews due to the sums spent on advertising - they would skim over or even omit negatives about a product, and highlight the positives. |
I can confirm this happens. A colleague of mine was once given a £12k BMW motorcycle for a glowing review in a magazine he was editing at the time, which he would have given it anyway as it was an awesome machine.
Yellow mounds. Lulz. |
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| Nightshift |
hoenstly DJ Rann, while some of the posts you share are quite informative, some of your posts make me never want to visit this website again at times, especially since people actually listen to your heavily biased bull. sad world.
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
I 've always had this opinion that as longs you know your monitor , you can get decent results. |
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| Storyteller |
It was a bit strange to see quotes on speakers in the $1K and up price range when the poster is asking suggestions on a 400$ pair. The big quote from Rann still holds a bit of valuable info as there are some alternatives mentioned in there.
All in all I have to concur krk's do not stand out. But in this price you don't have that much to choose from. Either way it will be a huge upgrade getting the KRK's coming from any regular set. If possible, have a listen and pick the set you prefer. Otherwise you might as well buy, you'll surely like them since it is a step up. A friend of mine just bought them, haven't seen him that pleased in a while. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nightshift
hoenstly DJ Rann, while some of the posts you share are quite informative, some of your posts make me never want to visit this website again at times, especially since people actually listen to your heavily biased bull. sad world.
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I'm sorry you feel that way. I would LOVE to know why I am somehow "biased" but the reason I posted what i did was that:
A) the OP suggested I didn't have experience with KRK - Someone that used to sell monitors for a living (including KRK), let alone being a pro studio engineer by trade, I can say with confidence I know enough to state what I feel from a professional perspective.
B) I spent several hours writing about (not to mention several weeks testing) nearly every monitor on the market at various different price brackets (and the previous discussion was about more expensive monitors which is where the quotes were pulled from).
C) How many ing times do we have to discuss the fact that KRK pay people to say nice things about them and do paid advertorials in the likes of SOS and FM just so people who don't know any better run out and buy them.
I'm sorry but every time I see someone go "This got a good review in SOS" you might as well be saying, "there's a great advert in here that says it great!".
You'll also note from that review, I list at least three other monitors in the rough price range of rockets that I found to be better detailed and better value than KRK monitors.
So, just so there can't be any confusion:
If you name any price bracket including the rockit series, I will name you two alternatives that are better quality and better value. As I said in that monitor shootout, it's all subjective but the closest I could get to a really quantifiable test was to A/B competing monitors
accross a variety of music.
Th result: All brands had their pro and cons depending on model, but KRK were the only brand that had a distinct lack of detail and clarity across all models.
This isn't some weird personal vendetta against KRK, I just think they are sub standard products that have powerful marketing.
If you still need more proof - I have suggest to at least half a dozen people on here to switch from KRK so something else and all of them have thanked me for it.
So no offense, I could care less if you want to take it personal but it's just a fact....
KRK are . |
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| Nightshift |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
As I said in that monitor shootout, it's all subjective but the closest I could get to a really quantifiable test was to A/B competing monitors
accross a variety of music.
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you clearly arent getting my point. my point is: TO EACH HIS OWN. i never said KRK was better than anything, i never said anything is better than KRK...but just because YOU dont like KRK doesnt mean the next man wont or that they are , because at the end of the day they get the in job done. i rest my case. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| the thing is that my opinion is based on theory. djRann's is based on actual experience. But i think the issue is that people using KRK's suck. I think if you got a good engineer, gave him 1 week to learn the speakers, the mix would be good. Boosts and cuts can be accounted for. As long as you aren't getting any room nulls, i think you can work with them. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nightshift
you clearly arent getting my point. my point is: TO EACH HIS OWN. i never said KRK was better than anything, i never said anything is better than KRK...but just because YOU dont like KRK doesnt mean the next man wont or that they are , because at the end of the day they get the in job done. i rest my case. |
Indeed, to each each his own, but when someone asks are they any good, I going to ing tell them NO!
Everything we say on here is opinion, just mine is based on professional experience (15 years of pro audio experince, 5 years pro audio retail and supply experience, have worked in top studios around the world and even been involved in speaker design consulting). I'm one of the few ing people who actually took the time to try to test most monitors on the market and share it here so this very repetitive question (and many similar others) would have a decent ing answer.
And yes, they are not just in my opinion, but in the opinion of several other people who have also posted in this threads and the million other dumb ing threads asking if KRK's are any good.
The question wasn't "XXX monitors are but can I still produce on them?".
Then I would be echoing the little emo point that l4c and you are trying to get across, that if you learn a set of monitors and are talented or skilled enough you can get "decent" results.
It's certainly true, but why the would you bother when you can get better monitors for less money where you don't have to learn the faults and shortcomings of a poor set of monitors, only then make your brain filter out these problems and adjust your mix accordingly.
I know mix engineers that like to use very basic monitors to mimic bad TV speaker (mixcubes for instance) but that's for a specific purpose. I don;t know any pro guys, either at home or at work that use monitors because somehow "they know them". And no, let's not get in to the NS10 thing because that's not the same. |
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