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Where the hell do you find long crash samples?
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| DJ Robby Rox |
If you think about it none of vengeance sample packs really have these.
I'm talking about a crash sample that tails for 4-8bars. I know it takes up extra memory but slapping a half bar crash sample through heavy reverb sounds NOTHING like a genuine long crash.
I must own a handful of fairly good sample packs and not a single one has long crashes, I usually always start my tracks with the longest crash I can find.(add some harmonics and pan it slightly with a downsweep) I know I can timestretch and repitch but I'd rather just have a nice little pack of long crashes, either free or payfor recommendations.
Anyone know where to find some? |
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| sixofour.604 |
| It really is just reverb. :( Crashes in a real drum kit don't last that long. you may have an ethnic cymbal out there some where [gong] that lasts while, you can pitch bend it up, but it will get shorter anyways. |
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| noicuc |
| quote: | Originally posted by sixofour.604
It really is just reverb. :( Crashes in a real drum kit don't last that long. you may have an ethnic cymbal out there some where [gong] that lasts while, you can pitch bend it up, but it will get shorter anyways. |
Yeah most of the time its just reverb..
Reverb can/might be useful for the long decay crash your talking about.. |
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| Subtle |
| Ive been wondering this myself.. i guess a huge reverb/tape delay thing, maybe exported to audio and then volume automated could do the trick. But then its to find the right sample to apply it on. bah. |
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| cryophonik |
You can get longer crashes by recording actual drums. I've got a couple of dozen crashes in my library that I recorded from a drummer in one of my previous bands a few years back. There are some fairly long crashes in there - I can upload some of them if you're interested. Most of them are pretty raw sounding and could use some processing (e.g., EQing, compression).
edit - nevermind, I just noticed that you're looking for crashes that are 4 bars long - the longest crashes I have are like 6-7 seconds. I can still upload them if anyone is interested. |
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| DigiNut |
It is reverb and delay, you just need to use good reverb and delay. You could use granular resynthesis as well but it would be hard to avoid the distorted time-stretched sound.
You might also try a gong, which is actually a long crash, combined with a pitch shifter. But for for once "604" is actually right - real cymbals simply don't last that long, so you're not going to find any real samples like that. 1 or 2 bars, maybe, but 4 or 8, no way.
There is actually one other trick that you can use for this particular sound. If you think about it, a crash cymbal is just the initial crash and a mostly uniform metallic reverberation that decays in volume (amplitude). So just set loop points within the repeating part of the sample itself - it's tricky to find the perfect points where there's no audible stutter, but it can be done, we did this all the time in the "tracker" days when 100 KB was considered huge for a sample. Any sampler will let you do this, and when you've got it sounding seamless, you can just hold the loop for as long as you want, bounce it, then apply some envelopes and effects to make it sound a little more natural. |
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| studiobob |
| try a good delay plug with a really short delay time. like 20 - 30ms. play with the feedback level til it sounds good. then add a massive reverb. |
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| Magnus |
| I know just what you are looking for as I have often been on the hunt for the same thing but quickly realized such long tailed crashes don't really exist. As others have said, its all delay and reverb. I take a crash, add some slight reverb on it, and then send its signal to another channel with a massively long reverb on it. |
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| Omega_Blue |
| thomas penton's sound set has a *couple* long crash sounds but they're also pretty drenched in effects. can't go wrong with, as everyone else has mentioned, adding a lot of reverb. i often add delay to mine also to fill in the empty space that i have in a mix. also you could try time-stretching it a bit, though then you have to worry about the overall pitch |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
You can use Supercollider to synthesize any sort of crash cymbal you want:
http://www.mcld.co.uk/cymbalsynthesis/
You could potentially make it last as long as you want. It sounds decent to me, much better than most of what people make with conventional synthesizers. The only problem? I have no idea how to export sound from Supercollider. I put the question in this forum before and no one else seemed to know, either.
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| dannib |
I know i have raved on about this sample pack in another post but its by far the best fx pack out there:
Click
There is a link to 85mb of fx taken from the above sample library here in this KVR post:
Click
A folder called Cymbal FX has exactly what you are talking about. Very inspirational sample pack and miles ahead of the vengeance and thomas penton samples. |
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| xphonix |
+1 for the above samples
Otherwise reverb, pitch shifting, granular synthesis, delays etc are a good way to start |
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