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The Conservative Case For Obama
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| Lebezniatnikov |
Courtesy of The Atlantic Monthly:
10. A body blow to racial identity politics. An end to the era of Jesse Jackson in black America.
9. Less debt. Yes, Obama will raise taxes on those earning over a quarter of a million. And he will spend on healthcare, Iraq, Afghanistan and the environment. But so will McCain. He plans more spending on health, the environment and won't touch defense of entitlements. And his refusal to touch taxes means an extra $4 trillion in debt over the massive increase presided over by Bush. And the CBO estimates that McCain's plans will add more to the debt over four years than Obama's. Fiscal conservatives have a clear choice.
8. A return to realism and prudence in foreign policy. Obama has consistently cited the foreign policy of George H. W. Bush as his inspiration. McCain's knee-jerk reaction to the Georgian conflict, his commitment to stay in Iraq indefinitely, and his brinksmanship over Iran's nuclear ambitions make him a far riskier choice for conservatives. The choice between Obama and McCain is like the choice between George H.W. Bush's first term and George W.'s.
7. An ability to understand the difference between listening to generals and delegating foreign policy to them.
6. Temperament. Obama has the coolest, calmest demeanor of any president since Eisenhower. Conservatism values that kind of constancy, especially compared with the hot-headed, irrational impulsiveness of McCain.
5. Faith. Obama's fusion of Christianity and reason, his non-fundamentalist faith, is a critical bridge between the new atheism and the new Christianism.
4. A truce in the culture war. Obama takes us past the debilitating boomer warfare that has raged since the 1960s. Nothing has distorted our politics so gravely; nothing has made a rational politics more elusive.
3. Two words: President Palin.
2. Conservative reform. Until conservatism can get a distance from the big-spending, privacy-busting, debt-ridden, crony-laden, fundamentalist, intolerant, incompetent and arrogant faux conservatism of the Bush-Cheney years, it will never regain a coherent message to actually govern this country again. The survival of conservatism requires a temporary eclipse of today's Republicanism. Losing would be the best thing to happen to conservatism since 1964. Back then, conservatives lost in a landslide for the right reasons. Now, Republicans are losing in a landslide for the wrong reasons.
1. The War Against Islamist terror. The strategy deployed by Bush and Cheney has failed. It has failed to destroy al Qaeda, except in a country, Iraq, where their presence was minimal before the US invasion. It has failed to bring any of the terrorists to justice, instead creating the excresence of Gitmo, torture, secret sites, and the collapse of America's reputation abroad. It has empowered Iran, allowed al Qaeda to regroup in Pakistan, made the next vast generation of Muslims loathe America, and imperiled our alliances. We need smarter leadership of the war: balancing force with diplomacy, hard power with better p.r., deploying strategy rather than mere tactics, and self-confidence rather than a bunker mentality.
Those conservatives who remain convinced, as I do, that Islamist terror remains the greatest threat to the West cannot risk a perpetuation of the failed Manichean worldview of the past eight years, and cannot risk the possibility of McCain making rash decisions in the middle of a potentially catastrophic global conflict. If you are serious about the war on terror and believe it is a war we have to win, the only serious candidate is Barack Obama.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.c...n-rea.html#more |
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| Nostalgic |
Andrew Sullivan a conservative? Right.....
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| Kapedano |
You are kidding right? :stongue: :stongue:
I think a stronger case can be made that McCain is more liberal than Obama is more conservative.
I am not sure what you are trying to do here. Perhaps win more conservative support on PDD? |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nostalgic
Andrew Sullivan a conservative? Right.....
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Ummm, yeah. He's for reduced government, state's rights, personal liberties, lower taxes, and less foreign involvement. How is he not a conservative? |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kapedano
You are kidding right? :stongue: :stongue:
I think a stronger case can be made that McCain is more liberal than Obama is more conservative.
I am not sure what you are trying to do here. Perhaps win more conservative support on PDD? |
Did you even read it? It never argues that Obama is a conservative. |
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| The17sss |
| I like number 10.... I'm sick of the "Justice Brothers" Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton with their played out schtick. There's a lot of money to be made in the race business, and they're probably panicking at the thought of Obama personifying that America isn't a "racist nation" anymore. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
I like number 10.... I'm sick of the "Justice Brothers" Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton with their played out schtick. There's a lot of money to be made in the race business, and they're probably panicking at the thought of Obama personifying that America isn't a "racist nation" anymore. |
after obama is elected (knocks on wood) those two will still find a cause where none exists. after all, that is mainly the reason al sharpton is hated by republicans and democrats alike. my fiance is half black and she can't stand his tired ass. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
after obama is elected (knocks on wood) |
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Ha... but yeah, I'm still waiting on that apology from Sharpton to the Duke Lacrosse players for smearing the fizzuck out of them before the truth came out. He sucks |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
after obama is elected (knocks on wood) those two will still find a cause where none exists. after all, that is mainly the reason al sharpton is hated by republicans and democrats alike. my fiance is half black and she can't stand his tired ass. |
Al Sharpton is hated because he's loud and too far ahead of his time.
He's out for civil rights... for everyone across the board. So he hits a lot of nerves along the way, that's what happens when you're more socially mature than most of the adult world, many of whom are still trapped in a tribe mentality. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Ha... but yeah, I'm still waiting on that apology from Sharpton to the Duke Lacrosse players for smearing the fizzuck out of them before the truth came out. He sucks |
I am, too. As well as apologies from numerous conservative commentators. Take the story from last week about Ashley Todd, the girl that carved the backwards B in her face. I'm still waiting for Matt Drudge's apology on that one. Idiotic statements and fake outrage aren't reserved for one party, but I will say that the GOP has been taking the lead over the past decade.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Shibby
Al Sharpton is hated because he's loud and too far ahead of his time.
He's out for civil rights... for everyone across the board. So he hits a lot of nerves along the way, that's what happens when you're more socially mature than most of the adult world, many of whom are still trapped in a tribe mentality. |
You, my friend, must be joking. He's stuck in the 60-70's, devoted to finding racial connotations with everything. That's not progress. Need I add how often he's sparked fake outrage, which does nothing more than prevent the advancement of racial cooperation. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
I am, too. As well as apologies from numerous conservative commentators. Take the story from last week about Ashley Todd, the girl that carved the backwards B in her face. I'm still waiting for Matt Drudge's apology on that one. Idiotic statements and fake outrage aren't reserved for one party, but I will say that the GOP has been taking the lead over the past decade. |
could a semi-truce be in order? We are in total agreeance on this issue :tongue2 |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
You, my friend, must be joking. He's stuck in the 60-70's, devoted to finding racial connotations with everything. That's not progress. Need I add how often he's sparked fake outrage, which does nothing more than prevent the advancement of racial cooperation. |
sadness.
The web of things going on all the time in many facets, some we fathom and appreciate, some we do not, propogates the advancement of racial combination.
Sorry we can't understand that we're all the same just yet, it's not my issue. The only issue is wealth. And culture. |
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