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Blue collar guys, masculinity, etc.
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
In the "dating a nerd" thread, Squirrely said that "nerds = emotional problems, and then went on to say that she likes a different kind of guy: "Big lifted truck, hunting, fishing, works outside." The type of guy one might call "uncomplicatedly masculine." That made me think of something Camille Paglia said:
| quote: | There is a disastrous problem with sexual identity at the elite schools. I don't know whether the young women see the kind of young men who are going to these schools as very sexually aggressive or intrusive, but that is not the case. From Williams to Brown to Yale, the young men are fresh faced, genteel bourgeois boys who were raised in professional households with very active mothers. They are boys with good manners, boys who are very sensitive, boys with their masculinity hardly visible.
When I teach in Philadelphia at Art School, and then go up to Harvard, the difference is hilarious. On the streets of central Philadelphia, I see real men, African-American men, Italian-American men from South Philly, real masculine men, and that's a compliment. They have no doubt about their sexual identity....It's hilarious that the virulent anti-male rhetoric is coming out of the Ivy League schools where there is not a virile masculine man in sight. |
Looking around me at my school (not Ivy League, but a pretty similar upper-middle-class-and-higher demographic), it does seem to me that a lot of guys, maybe the majority, are basically "nerd lite" -- not very "physical," not very aggressive, and almost kind of "deferential" toward women.
And then I thought about the times I've gone to rivers in south Texas and seen a lot of "blue-collar" kind of guys with military-issue hair cuts, big tattoos on their arms, and faces red from being out in the sun and drinking cheap beer. These guys seem to be "comfortable" with a certain prototypical aggressive, physical "masculinity" in a way that most of my upper-middle-class uni peers are not.
So, a few questions to talk about :
(1) Women: Do you like "blue collar" type "manly men" over more "academic" or "white collar" men?
(2) Are blue collar guys actually more "masculine-seeming" on average than guys who come from a higher income background, or am I misperceiving the situation?
(3) Is there something about growing up in a sheltered suburban environment that "planes down" a guy's personality and ensures that he'll always look out of place at a construction site?
:toothless
(4) Is modern culture tending toward a feminization of men? |
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| noikeee |
| They just want big fat cocks. |
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| kadomony |
protip: i'm from Philadelphia, ladies
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| Slylee |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
So, a few questions to talk about :
(1) Women: Do you like "blue collar" type "manly men" over more "academic" or "white collar" men?
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yea
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(2) Are blue collar guys actually more "masculine-seeming" on average than guys who come from a higher income background, or am I misperceiving the situation? |
not always the case. you can't really answer this question on behalf of the entire group of each men. there are plenty of white collar men who love sports (play them) and can cook a mean steak on the grill and fix the kitchen sink when it breaks. and then mon-fri they wear a shirt & tie to work and do happy hour.
and on the flip side, don't always assume that a blue collar "manly" guy who does construction isn't smart either. my guy is a contractor and generally a "mr. fix it" type of guy who doesn't even own a tie or dress shoes, but he is extremely smart. he & his partner buy chemicals at home depot and experiment with making some sort of fuel lol they actually got one of the jet skiis to run on it. they were talking in french and he was trying to translate what they did so i can't really explain exactly what they did but i was impressed. he's no dummy at all. but he drinks miller lite and works with his hands and has tools and i love it.
he's also very affectionate and romantic. i like a little bit of both types of guy in my men. he's not a total beer guzzling, "make me a pie" type of masculine guy. he's a nice mixture. it's all about finding that happy medium.
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(3) Is there something about growing up in a sheltered suburban environment that "planes down" a guy's personality and ensures that he'll always look out of place at a construction site? |
yes lol
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(4) Is modern culture tending toward a feminization of men? |
yes. and it's gay. |
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| Akridrot |
As a man do you like aggressive, manly women with deep voices and ripped bodies? Now can you better understand why women don't like passive, effeminate men with girly voices and frail bodies?
You don't have to be a ripped lumberjack, you don't have to be ing Lobo, but at least be a man. That's what heterosexual women are attracted to. Stand up for yourself, have confidence, be strong, etc. |
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| Akridrot |
| I'll ing smack a bitch |
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| Slylee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Akridrot
As a man do you like aggressive, manly women with deep voices and ripped bodies? Now can you better understand why women don't like passive, effeminate men with girly voices and frail bodies?
You don't have to be a ripped lumberjack, you don't have to be ing Lobo, but at least be a man. That's what heterosexual women are attracted to. Stand up for yourself, have confidence, be strong, etc. |
exactly. it shouldn't be about what they do, even though sara and i were totally stereotyping lol at the end of the day though, it truly is about the personality and how they carry themselves and treat their lady.
oh and if they buy you things and make you cum a lot too:gsmile: |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
and on the flip side, don't always assume that a blue collar "manly" guy who does construction isn't smart either. |
Funny, I said nothing about intelligence. :clown: |
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| Leif |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
(3) Is there something about growing up in a sheltered suburban environment that "planes down" a guy's personality and ensures that he'll always look out of place at a construction site? |
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| Slylee |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Funny, I said nothing about intelligence. :clown: |
but you used the term "academic" and are generally discussing stereotypes and images. i was just trying to prove a point that stereotypes aren't always true. |
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| cmay119 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
he & his partner... |
gay. |
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| Zild |
| I've been reading in the news that taking birth control can cause women to go for more manly men than they normally would, and also changes the scent that they are attracted to. Anyone know anything about that? |
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