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| Ph03n1x |
| quote: | just another scared American.
So being smart is having a gun in a family home that is designed specifically for killing a human; a gun whose use is subject to the obviously perfect judgement of you. That isn't smart, that is putting yourself and people around you in unnecessary danger because you watch too many action movies and were brought up to think that this is a 'right'. Do yourself and your family a favour and get some better locks and an alarm. Maybe also some knives and a baseball bat. |
I understand your fears.
As a Law-Abiding Citizen, I'm not scared. I'm proud to live in a country where my right to defend myself, family and property is protected.
A gun is just a tool. If there were not guns, evil people would still find a way to destroy or steal your property and even harm or kill you.
Criminals do not have more rights to live than I do.
As for the fear of children shooting themselves, educate them. My Father did and we understood what a gun did and understood that it was not a toy.
I hope and pray that I never have to use it, I'm not trigger-happy. I do take comfort knowing that I can protect the ones I love from the evil in this world.
This is all I will say on this topic. Please read my favorite parable.
The Parable of the Sheep
God bless you all.
~Devin~ |
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| Rememberence_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ph03n1x
I understand your fears.
As a Law-Abiding Citizen, I'm not scared. I'm proud to live in a country where my right to defend myself, family and property is protected.
A gun is just a tool. If there were not guns, evil people would still find a way to destroy or steal your property and even harm or kill you.
Criminals do not have more rights to live than I do.
As for the fear of children shooting themselves, educate them. My Father did and we understood what a gun did and understood that it was not a toy.
I hope and pray that I never have to use it, I'm not trigger-happy. I do take comfort knowing that I can protect the ones I love from the evil in this world.
This is all I will say on this topic. Please read my favorite parable.
The Parable of the Sheep
God bless you all.
~Devin~ |
A heroic tale indeed. The hole in that simile is that guns are far removed from teeth and claws. Teeth and claws actually require some effort to be used to commit evil. A gun requires virtually none, and on top of that a gun serves no other purpose than to kill.
Mine aren't fears but rather logic. The trade off for guns being so freely legal to possess by any citizen vs. the inherent danger that comes from such legality is huge. Consider that many people who are prosecuted for gun-related crimes found themselves in a split second decision to use one and executed poor judgement. For example, remember back to March when female rapper Remy Ma accidently shot one of her mates in the abdomen while fighting over a purse she believed contained 3 grand that her friend stole from her. Remy Ma faced 25 years in prison and subsequently was sentenced to serve 8. For what? This was the result of a civil conflict that didn't need to involve a fucking handgun, and wasn't necessarily caused by a criminal looking to do damage with said gun. The bitch was probably drunk too as they had just left a nightclub.
Yes criminals are always going to find ways to get their hands on guns, but that doesn't mean that we should make it easy for them by maintaining that it's everyone's right to carry a handgun. You are proud to live in a country where it is legal to possess a gun for protecting yourself, your family and your property, and from what? You fear what might happen precisely because you are scared of it. I would be much more proud to live in America if I knew I lived among people who had the sense to say "you know what, we're going to surrender this 'right' to bare arms because in the grand scheme of things it will mean less guns floating around in the hands of any Tom Dick and Harry, and stricter controls on people in possession of guns across the board". That's what would make me proud. You're right, criminals shouldn't have any more rights than you do, yet currently because of the 'right' to bare arms it's piss-easy for them to procure weapons and get away with carrying them given a slap on the wrist, simply because they haven't shot anyone. Fuck that.
Regarding children shooting themselves, I don't worry about that so much as I worry about the fact that many children live in households where if an intruder did come into the house, there is a much higher chance of shots being fired than if the house didn't have a gun in it in the first place. Children don't need to be around that shit and it's your choice to put them in a situation with increased volatility.
As you said, guns are not toys. So don't tell every fucking retard off the street that it's their 'right' to possess one. Guns should only be in the hands of people who have an overarching need for one in their line of work, who have demonstrated mental and technical competency in handling one, and who are thus licensed to own one. |
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| jonas |
| quote: | | Originally posted by Rememberence_ _just another scared American.So being smart is having a gun in a family home that is designed specifically for killing a human; a gun whose use is subject to the obviously perfect judgement of you._ That isn't smart, that is putting yourself and people around you in unnecessary danger because you watch too many action movies and were brought up to think that this is a 'right'._ Do yourself and your family a favour and get some better locks and an alarm._ Maybe also some knives and a baseball bat. |
Just another scared American? Right. You hit the nail on the head. I have locks, I have an alarm. I was a cop and know that response times to burglary in progress are not capable of deterring a situation. Scared? Maybe for the safety of my family. So I will do what is necessary.
You preach academically. But until you have been put in harms way, you have no right to make comments as reckless as this. A baseball bat is no match for someone pointing the barrel of a gun at you. It's easy to take the passive stance when trying to sound like the rational liberal with nothing to reference other than the biased rhetoric of a college professor.
I hate action movies because of the sensationalism associated with killing. I take no pleasure or think I'm a badass because of it. But you come into my home or endanger those dearest to me, you will regret such an engagement.
Edit-I have been in harms way, BTW, countless times as a police office and also having it breach my home. So I have the right and experience to argue either side of this point. |
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| Ph03n1x |
| quote: | | A heroic tale indeed. The hole in that simile is that guns are far removed from teeth and claws. Teeth and claws actually require some effort to be used to commit evil. A gun requires virtually none, and on top of that a gun serves no other purpose than to kill. |
Jeez, it's a metaphor!
| quote: | | As you said, guns are not toys. So don't tell every ing retard off the street that it's their 'right' to possess one. Guns should only be in the hands of people who have an overarching need for one in their line of work, who have demonstrated mental and technical competency in handling one, and who are thus licensed to own one. |
Do your research. In Texas, you have to go through a training course, background check and show that you are proficient with a handgun. Most people with a CHL are LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS, not evil-doers.
I agree that criminals and immature people should not have guns.
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Look at gun control the same as the war on drugs.
Drugs are illegal, but they will always be available and in demand. Same thing with guns, they can be made illegal, but criminal will always have them. This is why in America, we allow LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS to own them as well.
And Remember, "When seconds counts, the police are minutes away." |
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| Rememberence_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by jonas
Just another scared American? Right. You hit the nail on the head. I have locks, I have an alarm. I was a cop and know that response times to burglary in progress are not capable of deterring a situation. Scared? Maybe for the safety of my family. So I will do what is necessary.
You preach academically. But until you have been put in harms way, you have no right to make comments as reckless as this. A baseball bat is no match for someone pointing the barrel of a gun at you. It's easy to take the passive stance when trying to sound like the rational liberal with nothing to reference other than the biased rhetoric of a college professor.
I hate action movies because of the sensationalism associated with killing. I take no pleasure or think I'm a badass because of it. But you come into my home or endanger those dearest to me, you will regret such an engagement.
Edit-I have been in harms way, BTW, countless times as a police office and also having it breach my home. So I have the right and experience to argue either side of this point. |
I see where you're coming from and I respect the experience you have with the sour side of the law. Wanting to protect your family is also an admirable thing and makes perfect sense. And yes we're both biased. Here I am having never been involved in the you have experienced as an ex cop, and here you are knowing those specific aspects of society in a pretty intimate manner.
I would like to point out that I come from a society where people stepped up and agreed, as a people, to revoke some of the liberty of legal gun possession. This is important to me because it shows that there are other avenues for protecting your family than throwing guns into the mix. It also shows that people are willing to democratically vote to restrict such a 'right' to bare arms. The Australian govt issued a firearms buyback policy in '96 and as a result made it easier for people to transition to a society of rigorous enforcement of gun licenses. Semi-automatic weapons and pump action rifles/shotguns were banned. Over 700,000 weapons were subsequently destroyed. I think it was a gallant effort fueled by a forward-thinking, selfless mindset.
| quote: | Originally posted by Ph03n1x
Jeez, it's a metaphor! |
And it's misused. |
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| Ph03n1x |
| quote: | | I would like to point out that I come from a society where people stepped up and agreed, as a people, to revoke some of the liberty of legal gun possession. This is important to me because it shows that there are other avenues for protecting your family than throwing guns into the mix. It also shows that people are willing to democratically vote to restrict such a 'right' to bare arms. The Australian govt issued a firearms buyback policy in '96 and as a result made it easier for people to transition to a society of rigorous enforcement of gun licenses. Semi-automatic weapons and pump action rifles/shotguns were banned. Over 700,000 weapons were subsequently destroyed. I think it was a gallant effort fueled by a forward-thinking, selfless mindset. |
The UK did the same thing. Guess what? The UK and Australia still have illegal guns.
I understand this concept may be difficult to accept. You're from Australia.
Our Supreme court just agreed that it is a LAW-ABIDING Citizens' right to keep and bear arms, in self-defense.
GOD BLESS AMERICA! |
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| jonas |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rememberence_
I would like to point out that I come from a society where people stepped up and agreed, as a people, to revoke some of the liberty of legal gun possession. This is important to me because it shows that there are other avenues for protecting your family than throwing guns into the mix. It also shows that people are willing to democratically vote to restrict such a 'right' to bare arms. The Australian govt issued a firearms buyback policy in '96 and as a result made it easier for people to transition to a society of rigorous enforcement of gun licenses. Semi-automatic weapons and pump action rifles/shotguns were banned. Over 700,000 weapons were subsequently destroyed. I think it was a gallant effort fueled by a forward-thinking, selfless mindset.
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The other side of my experience let's me agree with this policy 100% if it could work. Unfortunately, America has a much more difficult task in thwarting gun smuggling. So this would most likely not work. The criminal element in the US is such a force that gun control is a losing battle. Until law enforcement is given the authority to work as a paramilitary agency instead of subscribing to the current 'community policing', this won't work. As my commander used to tell us before every shift, 'Stay sharp. They're better armed than you are'. |
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| architect1803 |
I take it we're all going as a group to the raffle.
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