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| DJ_Ballistic |
| quote: | Originally posted by tubby
Of course the morons are the poor uneducated people who follow the teachings of their church because they do not know any better. |
you mean the uneducated people in 3rd world countries such as africa the church are educating on the dangers of AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases.
Yes the use of condoms in places such as those would probably stem the flow of aids transmission, however in most cases they arent the only people helping those people and as far as i know they dont stop anyone else bringing condoms into those places...
Until you can say you're doing more to thelp those people than the church is, you might wanna leave off criticising them |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aesthetic
not everybody who follows the teachings of a church is a moron |
oh, that wasnt what i meant by the thread title. just that these particular catholics are sticking their nose into social problems and refusing particular treatments to people based upon their religious (not medical) training. which just isn't right.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ_Ballistic
Until you can say you're doing more to thelp those people than the church is, you might wanna leave off criticising them |
how bout if you're doing less damage? can you criticise then? ;) |
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ_Ballistic
Until you can say you're doing more to thelp those people than the church is, you might wanna leave off criticising them |
By that logic watching people throw petrol on a fire trying to fight it is also wrong but until we're contributing more to the firefighting effort ourselves we'll leave off criticising them. |
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| DJ_Ballistic |
maybe you don't understand why the catholic church opposes condoms....because they believe in abstaining from sex until married
so im pretty sure they're not just telling these people not to wear condoms, but to also not have sex
Therefore by tubby's logic if people are just doing as they are taught and not using condoms coz the church is against it, then they are not having sex period and thus also not spreading aids. So i don't get how you liken that to petrol fires. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
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Tomorrow's BBC Panorama programme carries an interview with a Catholic woman in Uganda who has chosen to sleep unprotected with her infected husband: "We won't go to heaven if we use condoms," she explains. Asked if the woman made the right choice, the Archbishop of Kampala, Cardinal Emmanuel Wamala, replies: "If it is wrong to use the condom, then she has made the right choice." Even if it costs her her life? "Yes," replies the cardinal. "That is a harsh teaching," the reporter responds. |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/s...1247745,00.html
in any case, churches arent very good at preventing "immoral" behaviour. people's "vices" will almost always over rule the teachings of some moral authority. by denouncing condom usage the church creates an environment where condoms arent as available.
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By its refusal to deal with human realities, the church has muffled its own prophetic voice on Aids, and encouraged the conclusion that Christian teaching that can only be upheld at the cost of African lives does not deserve that name. |
and in any case, is anyone going to discuss the original post? what do people think about the church with policies like this?
| quote: | | SEXUALLY-assaulted women who seek help at Catholic-controlled hospitals cannot be referred to rape crisis centres that supply morning-after pills, under church policy. |
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