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| KristineClub |
| quote: | Originally posted by monkchichi
I stopped listening to prog, house, trance, etc. cause every DJ just essentially played same tunes in a given year. just a different remix. I mean how many Delerium - Silence remixes came out? Innocente? Iio - Rapture? |
Ok, I know what you mean, Fong, but I have to agree with Chris here. Silence? Innocente? Rapture?? Are those what you consider to be Progressive tunes? That's all straight commercial Trance. Of course that 's gonna get played out! Yeah, a lot of DJs that come to town play all of the same , just maybe different remixes, but you can't let the music be spoon-fed to you, you have to do a little bit of digging. It's cool that you listen to music that isn't recognized by most but just because you hear a few tracks from one genre get played out, it shouldn't be a reason to abandon that genre alltogether.
| quote: | Originally posted by bith
I do not play stuff because it is popular. I play tracks as I discover them, no matter how old they are. |
Same with me. I actually start to like a track less if it gets popular.
The only time I ever even hear other DJs is when I go out to see them. I very rarely listen to other DJs' mixed sets because I don't want to sound like anyone but me. Really, the biggest thing that influences me is being around my friends who are DJs.
I just don't think people realize how much music is really out there. You don't have to have the newest tracks to be a great DJ, there's tons of old stuff that people have probably never heard that will still blow their minds. I don't understand why everybody's so stuck on release dates. Nothing pisses me off more than when people know an older track that I play and they come up to me and say, "hey man this is a good track but isn't it like over a year old?" Yeah, it is. So what? You just said that it's good, right? Why should it matter when it was made? Like Chris said, good music is good music and if it's good, I'll play it. |
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| UnWorldly |
Tis a glorious time to be in love with music.
Never before has such a quantity and quality been available to mankind as now.
I enjoy alot of the stuff people are doing with their computers right now, even the older computer stuff I've been finding lately has been great fun. I am just thrilled that there is so much of it available for free download, legally! There is so much friggin stuff out there, that no single person has any hope of hearing it all, there is always more to find, every time I go looking I stumble upon something I like that I had never even heard of before.
I like digital because there are no decent record stores around me, I feel like I can finally participate in this scene in spite of the region that I live in. There is so much great stuff floating around cyberspace, it is rediculous. I couldn't care less what a DJ does to make the sounds in a club.
The club industry seems to be suffering, the music industry seems to be falling apart, but I dont give a about these industries, the music itself is really good right now. The clubs are sucking quite badly though, with their fashion and their prices, going out seems to be all about looking pretty and standing in line for the drink special these days, like nobody shows up for music anymore. I'm ok with this though, I have plenty of music and plenty of firends to enjoy it with, I dont need to go to a club, any sort of gethering around loud music and people will satisfy me.
Say what you will about ableton, about digital media, and any of that, but these kids on their computers are doing incredible things. I still like vinyl sets too but I dont demand to see it when I go to a party. The only rule of music is that I must be astonished. |
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| KristineClub |
| quote: | Originally posted by UnWorldly
Tis a glorious time to be in love with music.
Never before has such a quantity and quality been available to mankind as now.
I enjoy alot of the stuff people are doing with their computers right now, even the older computer stuff I've been finding lately has been great fun. I am just thrilled that there is so much of it available for free download, legally! There is so much friggin stuff out there, that no single person has any hope of hearing it all, there is always more to find, every time I go looking I stumble upon something I like that I had never even heard of before.
I like digital because there are no decent record stores around me, I feel like I can finally participate in this scene in spite of the region that I live in. There is so much great stuff floating around cyberspace, it is rediculous. I couldn't care less what a DJ does to make the sounds in a club.
The club industry seems to be suffering, the music industry seems to be falling apart, but I dont give a about these industries, the music itself is really good right now. The clubs are sucking quite badly though, with their fashion and their prices, going out seems to be all about looking pretty and standing in line for the drink special these days, like nobody shows up for music anymore. I'm ok with this though, I have plenty of music and plenty of firends to enjoy it with, I dont need to go to a club, any sort of gethering around loud music and people will satisfy me.
Say what you will about ableton, about digital media, and any of that, but these kids on their computers are doing incredible things. I still like vinyl sets too but I dont demand to see it when I go to a party. The only rule of music is that I must be astonished. |
I'm really inspired by your words. Thanks for that :tongue2 |
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| Scottaculous |
| quote: | Originally posted by KristineClub
On the topic, I totally embrace new technology but at the same time, I'm still nostalgic. I don't think just some kid with a laptop should be playing in big clubs even if he does have lots of talent. A DJ who doesn't know how to work a turntable is not a DJ IMO. When I see guys using only CDs or laptops, I assume a large percentage of the music they play has been downloaded for free without their ass leaving their seat. There is something about finding unique records that nobody else has, new or old.
I have lots more to say about this but I'm feeling lazy today. |
This isn't directed at you Greg because many others feel the same as you do but since you brought it up, I'll say my piece.
Don't you think you are contradicting yourself? You say you embrace new technology yet none of the new technology seems to have any form of credit in your eyes. By your logic, a person using another method of expressing his music (laptop, CD) has no credibility, regardless of talent. Last time I checked, talent resides within the person, not the medium the person uses.
Personally, I think some vinyl DJs feel threatened, not by CD players and laptops, but by their own personal inadequacies. They are always quick to jump at the chance to discredit the legitimacy of CDJs and laptops with subjective reasons like nostalgia or "it feels better" or piracy. I can understand real reasons for advocacy such as, vinyl sounds better, or there's more technical skill in manipulating vinyl than a CD. If vinyl is so superior, just what are vinyl DJs so afraid of? People aren’t stupid. They can hear superior music and talent. Let the better music shine through. |
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| KristineClub |
| quote: | Originally posted by Scottaculous
You say you embrace new technology yet none of the new technology seems to have any form of credit in your eyes. |
That's not true. I do give the technology credit and I do embrace it. When we talk about new methods of DJing, I assume that we're also talking about CDs and you know that I play quite a bit of CDs. All I was saying is that I don't think a DJ should resort to CDs alone or (especially) use of a laptop. It seems like programs like Ableton would be great for producing music but I don't see it as a fair way to DJ. There are lots of talented DJs out there who have spent years mastering their skills to beatmatch and what not and it just seems unfair that someone who doesn't even know how to beatmatch could play at the same clubs or events as one of the experienced vinyl DJs.
| quote: | Originally posted by Scottaculous
Last time I checked, talent resides within the person, not the medium the person uses. |
No, I think you're wrong. It has everything to do with the medium a person uses. Are you telling me that it takes the same amount of talent for a person to trace a photograph and make it look exactly like the original as it does someone to freehand it and make it look the same? It does take more talent to cue up and beatmatch a record manually than to have the tempos perfectly matched instantly with a program like Ableton. It does take more talent to find tracks that mix perfectly together without having to change the key.
| quote: | Originally posted by Scottaculous
I think some vinyl DJs feel threatened, not by CD players and laptops, but by their own personal inadequacies. They are always quick to jump at the chance to discredit the legitimacy of CDJs and laptops with subjective reasons like nostalgia or "it feels better" or piracy. |
I think you're right and I know you aren't directing this towards me but I'm not one of those DJs. I'm confident in my skills. You can't deny, though, that, without a couple of turntables, there's something missing. There's just something special about flipping through your record crate instead of pointing at files with your mouse. It makes me sad. |
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