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| batemanscott |
| As much as i would love to discuss this i'll be the first to admit it is a topic i am completely ignorant of. Good read tho :) |
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| aL_mAc |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
haha teapot.
i just thought the congratulatory tone of the latter part of this thread was pretty self indulgent ;) plus, everyone seems to be mocking the harmonic mixing dammit :p its not my fault im not a very good DJ ;)
for my part in the health debate; sure, private health insurance takes *some* pressure off the public system, but of course those that cant afford private insurance dont really get that much of a benefit. oh, a waiting list of 4 years instead of 5? big fvcking deal.
the idea that affordable health care cannot ever be attained is bull spread by Liberal-voting apologists. we have a massive surplus and we decide to spend it in iraq. wars can be afforded but health care cant?
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1) self indugant indeed... gotta take it when you can
2) harmonic mixing (not knocking it, simply saying that some people only talk about the same things)
3)you arent bad i heard your mix you posted!
4)patients on waiting lists are usually only waiting due to the procedure they require being elective, not essential or imperitive to survival, hence medical rationing (see earlier).. true these lists could be vastly sped up if they were constructively re-evaluated and protocol driven, but the hospitals have to much to gain from health insurance payments than waiting for payments from the government for these prcedures. i dont know the nitty gritty of it all either so i wont go any further with that topic.
There is no difference in treatment between having public or private in essential or emergentcy situations, the only difference i guess is choice.. you have the option to your own dr etc all the treatments will be the same, however you maybe paying for a reputaion or bedside manner rather than effective treatment. im sure quidgy would agree...
These lists could be vastly improved also if the public understood what a hospital was for.. they arent there for sore throats and bumps on the head per say, the publics concept of what is an emergency and what actually is quite warped and as such it occupies alot of the hospitals resources. but then again its a catch 22 you free up emergency department wards from general patients you loose you funding another reason why hopsitals wont really puh it either..
4) it is fact that comprehensive affordable healthcare can never be attianed, this is not a political viewpoint either, it is a mere reflection of society, its needs versus wants and the finate resources available to healthcare..
true funding wars may subtract away funding from areas it would be better spent but thats another argument all together and well out of my scope of understanding. if you wish to be disproven ill email you the links to the 250 odd journal and editorials i have sitting on my HD!! |
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| Teflon_Teapot |
| what percentage of emergency cases are directly or indirectly caused by alcohol? |
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| aL_mAc |
| id say approx 40% (if not more) of trauma cases are either related to drugs and or alcohol.. at least half of that number could be prevented or at least reduced if they werent (drugs & alcohol) a contributing factor.. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by aL_mAc
1) self indugant indeed... gotta take it when you can |
fair point. im just jealous ;) i want love and adoration dammit :D
| quote: | Originally posted by aL_mAc
2) harmonic mixing (not knocking it, simply saying that some people only talk about the same things) |
hehe, its the only thing about music i have any clue about, so im a little limited in music discussions :D
| quote: | Originally posted by aL_mAc
3)you arent bad i heard your mix you posted! |
thanks :)
| quote: | Originally posted by aL_mAc
4)patients on waiting lists are usually only waiting due to the procedure they require being elective, not essential or imperitive to survival, hence medical rationing (see earlier).. |
sure, however it all depends on how your needs are defined. theyve been a lot of stories publicised down here lately where people have been on waiting lists for years, their condition isnt going to kill them immediately however it does dramatically degrade their quality of life or mean they lose vital parts of their anatomy (there was this poor fvcker who had resorted to pulling his own teeth out with pliers coz he was in so much pain).
| quote: | Originally posted by aL_mAc
4) it is fact that comprehensive affordable healthcare can never be attianed, this is not a political viewpoint either, it is a mere reflection of society, its needs versus wants and the finate resources available to healthcare.. |
ive lost respect for your argument coz you included two '4' points :p
i still disagree to a point tho. technically speaking almost anything is attainable by any advanced liberal democracy. its all to do with priorities and where the research & funding is directed. you cant tell me that if every country decided to develop the perfect health care system in australia that it couldnt be done. $$$$ + know how = results.
yes, thats a theoretical suggestion and never going to occur. however i still argue that whilst a perfect system is problematic at best, there is room for significant improvement and that improvement is possible if scarce resources are transfered from elsewhere.
but yeah, i definitely agree with your assessment of the public & their perceptions & understandings. nobody ever said people werent stupid ;) |
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