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Would you give up liberty to be secure? (pg. 2)
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lover Boy
100% liberty if freedom, which can never be allowed. I can deal with that, what I can't deal with is being started at by coppers every time I walk on the street (& im not a dodgy person, they do it 2 every1 now). |
Unless you're the color blue (police) they won't trust you. |
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| Psy-T |
| only under the rules of my own making, which is to say... no. |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
Danger is a valuable experience - it is passionate and exhilarating, affirming the value of life. It builds strength and character, while those cowering in their shell of "safety" only grow weaker and more stagnant.
Safety is nothing more than a guarantee of the preservation of a life half-lived. A short but full life is infinitely a better use of the opportunity than a long but hollow one. |
I get your point - and I agree. |
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| ali92 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lover Boy
Not the quote Civ IV lists it at, but I thought the same thing. |
What's the official quote? |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by ali92
What's the official quote? |
| quote: | They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
- Benjamin Franklin |
| quote: | Freedom is not a gift bestowed upon us by other men, but a right that belongs to us by the laws of God and nature.
- Benjamin Franklin |
| quote: | This will be the best security for maintaining our liberties. A nation of well-informed men who have been taught to know and prize rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins.
- Benjamin Franklin |
| quote: | Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freedom of speech.
- Benjamin Franklin |
| quote: | When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.
- Benjamin Franklin |
| quote: | Only virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.
- Benjamin Franklin |
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| Ek0nomik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lover Boy
100% liberty if freedom, which can never be allowed. I can deal with that, what I can't deal with is being started at by coppers every time I walk on the street (& im not a dodgy person, they do it 2 every1 now). |
Started at by coppers?
If you mean what I think you do, their just doing their job. |
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| ogvh5150 |
So I guess their doing their job when they bash a 50 year old grandmother upside the skull for refusing to leave a peaceful protest.
In other news...
Addition to thread post:
What is liberty when you look at the phrase "nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"?
Just what is liberty?
In the meantime I have to practice this phrase in german if I ever get stopped by NYPD:
Ihre papiere gefallen.
Meet Deborah Davis. She's a 50 year-old mother of four who lives and works in Denver, Colorado. Her kids are all grown-up: her middle son is a soldier fighting in Iraq. She leads an ordinary, middle class life. You probably never would have heard of Deb Davis if it weren't for her belief in the U.S. Constitution.
One morning in late September 2005, Deb was riding the public bus to work. She was minding her own business, reading a book and planning for work, when a security guard got on this public bus and demanded that every passenger show their ID. Deb, having done nothing wrong, declined. The guard called in federal cops, and she was arrested and charged with federal criminal misdemeanors after refusing to show ID on demand.
On the 9th of December 2005, Deborah Davis will be arraigned in U.S. District Court in a case that will determine whether Deb and the rest of us live in a free society, or in a country where we must show "papers" whenever a cop demands them.
Next Stop: Big Brother |
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| Sunsnail |
| I voted no. Freedom over security |
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| occrider |
| This is a loaded question. When the founders drafted the concept of freedom and security into the constitution they were implying freedom and security from government. Therefore the implication that the "freedoms" granted by the constitution have an inverse relationship with "security" in any way is simply absurd. |
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| Aiwendil |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
Danger is a valuable experience - it is passionate and exhilarating, affirming the value of life. It builds strength and character, while those cowering in their shell of "safety" only grow weaker and more stagnant.
Safety is nothing more than a guarantee of the preservation of a life half-lived. A short but full life is infinitely a better use of the opportunity than a long but hollow one. |
Lesson Star Trek taught us #141 |
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