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| 00soups00 |
i was just asking for some evidence pertaining to these reforms and you have provided them, so thank you. i wasnt leaning one way or the other, i just wanted some facts, instead of those government advertisements..
and as far as the legalisation things goes, the currently legal substances cause much greater harm, which is a great omen for the argument of switching. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
^^ im not saying that IR doesnt need reforming, but this tips the balance so far in favour of business i think its disgusting. as jono4l said, its moving us down the US route where we\'ll be increasing the numbers of working poor. the US hasnt had a minimum wage increase since 1997. im not totally sure, but those under AWAs arent going to get the benefits of minimum wage increase (this is an assumption, i dont know for sure, wheres renegade?). so how does a person on a \"bargained\" award keep up with things like inflation etc?
as far as im concerned the main issue of drug reform is what does criminalisation achieve? it makes drugs more expensive, benefitting those that are flouting the law to begin with, and pushes crime rates higher.
i am highly suspect of the argument that decriminalising narcotics would lead to a higher rate of use. it would be negligable at best imo. i dont see massive problems in the ACT where pot has been decriminalised. but even if it did increase their use, i still argue that many of the negative impacts associated with drug use is closely tied in with their illegal status. |
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| tathi |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
the currently legal substances cause far more grief and damage than narcotics ever will, regardless of legalities. |
here is an interesting article on prescription drugs. Read whats in red, eg: "Street drugs kill only 10% as many people every year, as legal, prescription drugs (6-times more than those Americans killed in the Vietnam War)."
| quote: | Originally posted by narcism
the health systems is at crisis point perhaps? |
This is a moot point. The public has no idea how ed up the health system is at the moment, it's literally falling apart, yet upper management are trying to fabricate it's current state to the public :conf: :/ |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by tathi
here is an interesting article on prescription drugs. Read whats in red, eg: \"Street drugs kill only 10% as many people every year, as legal, prescription drugs (6-times more than those Americans killed in the Vietnam War).\"
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im not quite sure what your point is tathi.
are you saying decriminalising street drugs would put it on a similar platform as prescription medication?? what i would guarantee however was if you moved the responsibility of prescription medication from pharmaceutical companies and legislative bodies to backyard cook-houses that those stats would be far far worse. |
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| tathi |
not at all; i was just pointing out that there are legalised drugs that are far more dangerous that some street drugs
| quote: | | what i would guarantee however was if you moved the responsibility of prescription medication from pharmaceutical companies and legislative bodies to backyard cook-houses that those stats would be far far worse. |
agree.
oh and i skipped the point of the thread: do you think John Howard has done a good job? No, not at all.
Reasons:
- The casus belli for war in Iraq was a lie, the unilateral annexation of Iraq is illegal under international law
- Human rights abuses under the Howard government, our inhumane treatment of refugee's has drawn censure from all around the world, my dad has worked in a detention centre, not pretty!
- At times Howard is very loose with the truth, especially around election time..
- the health system is about to die in the ass
i don't know much about IR though
But i'm very disillusioned with labor also :/ |
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