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I've noticed that many TAs aren't satisfied with top Trance Djs anymore - Read why! (pg. 5)
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| A.J. |
If someone makes something that is new and fresh, and it is a quality production, i think people will buy it anyway.
I think most trance DJs can still appreciate a little creativity :p |
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| Benno de Goeij |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
I wasn't necessarily referring to you in particular, but OK, we can take your projects as an example. I doubt you would stick to the same sound you've carved for yourself with Rank 1 unless you knew the success it had and will have with your target audience. It also explains why you have abandoned your early experiments soundwise (such as you and Piet's remix of Jens - Psycho Strings or even Dyewitness). |
Well you were talking about replacing supersaw sounds by tech sounds, so i guess you referred to me! :D
I never know wheather a track will be succesfull or not, all i can say is I like the track I am releasing. And i feel i still am experimenting. When we did the airwave breakbeat edit, mixing trance and breakbeats hadn't been done. When we did Beats@rank-1.com[/email], the sound reverb we used hadn't been used that way before. When we made Top Gear, we freaked around with the beats and breaks, not following any structure. When i did the Joop track together with Joop, nobody can expect how the break ends before listing. So for me those records bring something extra. But I guess i might be wrong then!
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That's all well and good. But how about making something that isn't necessarily designed to make a bunch of people on the dancefloor go mad? Or, how about just making a completely different genre of music, like you've done in the past? |
I am working on another project that just does that, not doing the dancefloor stuff, and not doing anything i did before, because i like to make other styles too off course! :D But for me those sounds are not for vinyl, but for albums.
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Another example: what do you think would happen if Armin started playing his old funky house productions and/or making new ones? He would piss off many of his devoted ASOT listeners, which again would cost him popularity and (yes indeed), money. I think you can do the rest of the math. |
I cant decide for Armin, he and I are two different people.
But I don't want to make music I don't like, because it is no fun to make tracks i would make for the cash only. And i think we pissed off many ASOT listeners when we made [email]Beats@rank-1.com and Top Gear, but it was something i enjoyed very much doing. I also could have chosen for 12 Airwave tracks...
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I'm glad to hear that :). My argument still stands though. |
If you don't believe me, fair enough! You have the right to think differently :D |
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| Benno de Goeij |
| quote: | Originally posted by A.J.
If someone makes something that is new and fresh, and it is a quality production, i think people will buy it anyway.
I think most trance DJs can still appreciate a little creativity :p |
Creativity is subjected to taste.. What one person can call creative is boring to another.. |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Benno de Goeij
Well you were talking about replacing supersaw sounds by tech sounds, so i guess you referred to me! :D
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Hehe, it was merely to make the point that in order to make something different, you have to take radical steps. Some people would just say that "but they made those tracks as well, they're different", and then point at the odd tech trancer. That's not what I mean by making something different. Getting involved in something like Dyewitness on the other hand is ;)
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I never know wheather a track will be succesfull or not, all i can say is I like the track I am releasing. And i feel i still am experimenting. When we did the airwave breakbeat edit, mixing trance and breakbeats hadn't been done. When we did Beats@rank-1.com[/email], the sound reverb we used hadn't been used that way before. When we made Top Gear, we freaked around with the beats and breaks, not following any structure. When i did the Joop track together with Joop, nobody can expect how the break ends before listing. So for me those records bring something extra. But I guess i might be wrong then!
I am working on another project that just does that, not doing the dancefloor stuff, and not doing anything i did before, because i like to make other styles too off course! :D But for me those sounds are not for vinyl, but for albums.
I cant decide for Armin, he and I are two different people.
But I don't want to make music I don't like, because it is no fun to make tracks i would make for the cash only. And i think we pissed off many ASOT listeners when we made [email]Beats@rank-1.com and Top Gear, but it was something i enjoyed very much doing. I also could have chosen for 12 Airwave tracks...
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My point is, diversify! Look at Oliver Lieb for instance. On the one hand you have his melodic output as LSG and his remixes under his own name. Then you have his ambient release with Pete Namlook, then there's the straight forward techno of The Black Album and the stuff with WJ Henze etc, then there's his soundtracks, the live improvisation with Dennis P. Saratou etc. Just diversify! You have a good start by challenging the usual norms of the sound you're associated with (too many producers seem to have no interest of doing even that), but it can be taken even further. Either way, looking forward to hearing this non-dancefloor related stuff you speak of :)
Oh yeah, and just for a nerdy comment: You weren't the first to mix trance with breakbeats. Lange was 4 years ahead of you with his remix of Brainchild - Symmetry C ;) Keep doing it though, trance's dependency on 4/4 really gets to me at times. |
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| Benno de Goeij |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
Hehe, it was merely to make the point that in order to make something different, you have to take radical steps. Some people would just say that "but they made those tracks as well, they're different", and then point at the odd tech trancer. That's not what I mean by making something different. Getting involved in something like Dyewitness on the other hand is ;) |
lol that wasnt me! That was Piet with Misjah :D
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My point is, diversify! Look at Oliver Lieb for instance. On the one hand you have his melodic output as LSG and his remixes under his own name. Then you have his ambient release with Pete Namlook, then there's the straight forward techno of The Black Album and the stuff with WJ Henze etc, then there's his soundtracks, the live improvisation with Dennis P. Saratou etc. Just diversify! You have a good start by challenging the usual norms of the sound you're associated with (too many producers seem to have no interest of doing even that), but it can be taken even further. Either way, looking forward to hearing this non-dancefloor related stuff you speak of :) |
Agreed, Oliver Lieb stands out here :) But when i am talking about diversity, I am more talking about original elements in one particulair track. Perhaps we were a bit cross talking :D
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Oh yeah, and just for a nerdy comment: You weren't the first to mix trance with breakbeats. Lange was 4 years ahead of you with his remix of Brainchild - Symmetry C ;) |
Already thought you would say something like that! First off all, I didn't make any music by the time Lange made that track, i even don't know that track lol! But what i meant was, the massive trance sound mixed with breakbeats. If lange did that before us, we were far from original then ;) and i take back my words on that one. |
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| Dancing*Queen |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mortyman
But there's no way in hell Amrin should be taking lessons on how to interact with a crowd from PVD! :wtf:
Armin has been to Vancouver 3 times in the past year, and PVD has only been here once in 3 years! When PVD was here a couple months ago, the dude DIDN'T LOOK UP AT THE CROWD ONCE!!!!! :whip: :whip:
He had his nose buried in the mixer the entire night and maybe smiled a couple times at the hot girls dancing beside the booth.
When Armin comes here, DUDE'S ON FIRE!!! He totally interacts with the crowd, dances, shows he's having a great time!
It was the very first time I seen PVD in my 5 years, and I can't express how disappointed I was with his "performance". Sure the music was fantastic... but man, he was DEPRESSING to watch :( |
Agreed.
Armin has a blast when he's up there and you can tell he loves what he's doing and he feeds off the crowd. He has been this way every time I have seen him (this LoL will be my 6th time).
I have only had the opportunity to see PVD once and that was a little over a year ago at the Guv and the whole time he barely looked up at the crowd and barely even cracked a smile. Now he did stay after to sign autographs and he did smile then....but that was about it.
He may have changed in a year, but I doubt he has changed so much that he has surpassed Armin when it comed to enthusiasm and energy behind the decks. |
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| Aiwendil |
| Eat Static were mixing Trance with Breakbeats in 1993. |
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| Benno de Goeij |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aiwendil
Eat Static were mixing Trance with Breakbeats in 1993. |
Okay i take back my words! |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Benno de Goeij
lol that wasnt me! That was Piet with Misjah :D
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Yea, I just remembered that maybe Dyewitness isn't such a good example to use when I'm talking to Benno de Goeij and not Piet Bervoets :p But you get my point. And, if you want to get picky, I can replace Dyewitness with Jonah.
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Already thought you would say something like that! First off all, I didn't make any music by the time Lange made that track, i even don't know that track lol!
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I'd say you and Benno were as busy bees back in 1999 as now. But as I said, don't let that stop you. |
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| UWM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Benno de Goeij
But I don't want to make music I don't like, because it is no fun to make tracks i would make for the cash only. And i think we pissed off many ASOT listeners when we made Beats@rank-1.com and Top Gear |
More maintaining your integrity and pissing off ASOT fans!
BTW - Top Gear was a top tune and I don't really even listen to 'trancier' stuff anymore :cool: |
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| A.J. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Benno de Goeij
And i think we pissed off many ASOT listeners when we made Beats@rank-1.com[/email] and Top Gear, but it was something i enjoyed very much doing. |
:p :p :p
I just thought i would say that I really like [email]Beats@rank-1.com Benno. Great track! |
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| Benno de Goeij |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
I'd say you and Benno were as busy bees back in 1999 as now. But as I said, don't let that stop you. |
Back then it was easier to do something differently, because that sound was in early development. Nowadays i find it much harder to find a hole in the trance maze. That's why i can't make that many trance tracks anymore. But as for that other project, i am working with Ronald Van Gelderen, and we make a track per week! We feel no boundries, just like back then :D
No matter how much people would scream i make terrible music, or i am just cashing money or i am not creative, i will always try to make a much more better track then before.
I never feel i succeed in that though, and thats my drive to make music till i die. |
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