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| kush paintings |
I am not a huge fan of sci-fi. However, dystopian portrayals of the future have always been some of the most powerful reads, viewings I have ever had. Brave New World, stands as my favorite, but Farhenhite 421, 1984 and my favorite movie of this genre Gattaca gave such powerful messages.
All of these stories, however, seem to have alternative concepts about what the future will be like, although general theories do arise in all. What do you think the future will be like? What concepts from these dystopias do you find interesting? |
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| ShadoWolf |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by kush paintings
I am not a huge fan of sci-fi. However, dystopian portrayals of the future have always been some of the most powerful reads, viewings I have ever had. Brave New World, stands as my favorite, but Farhenhite 421, 1984 and my favorite movie of this genre Gattaca gave such powerful messages.
All of these stories, however, seem to have alternative concepts about what the future will be like, although general theories do arise in all. What do you think the future will be like? What concepts from these dystopias do you find interesting? |
I always thought 1984 could have been more applied to our societies as well as authoritarian ones! Thought Brave New World's vision of the future was also interestin but didn't think much of the actual story! |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
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Thats awesome,I hope they take over Italy first.:) |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Thats awesome,I hope they take over Italy first.:) |
No thats ShadowWolf's mum covering herself up so her ugly face doesn't scare the children... |
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| kush paintings |
| I actually would have to agree with your critique of Brave New World. However, I think if you were to summarize the plot there is potential for a great story there. I actually want to write a screenplay combining aspects from these 3 books, as they all have their strengths, but also have big shortcommings. Anyways, I wanted to get more opinions about what people thought of these books and this genre. |
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| trancaholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
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Haha. Don't know if you meant this as a self-referential joke, but it made me laugh regardless. Thanks.:haha: |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
Haha. Don't know if you meant this as a self-referential joke, but it made me laugh regardless. Thanks.:haha: |
Listen to your Queen. She's absolutely right.
--“We are being challenged by Islam these years - globally as well as locally”, Queen Margrethe said.
Danish Queen Says Islam Poses Global Threat
“We are being challenged by Islam these years - globally as well as locally”, Queen Margrethe said.
COPENHAGEN, April 15, 2005 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies) – Denmark’s Queen Margrethe II claimed that Islam poses a global threat and urged government to show no tolerance toward the Muslim minority in the north European country, reported the Telegraph on Friday, April 15.
“We have to show our opposition to Islam and we have to, at times, run the risk of having unflattering labels placed on us because there are some things for which we should display no tolerance,” the queen said in an official biography published on Thursday, April 14.
The queen told her biographer Annelise Bistrup that Islam is posing a major challenge to the whole world which requires taking serious measures to face it.
“We are being challenged by Islam these years - globally as well as locally.
“It is a challenge we have to take seriously. We have let this issue float about for too long because we are tolerant and lazy.”
Queen Margrethe, who turns 65 on Saturday, April 16, said the country could have handled “this challenge a bit better, if we had realized what we were up against”.
The monarch who has ascended the throne since 1972, wields no political power in the north European country but does occasionally give comments on political issues.
Extremists
Danish Muslims fear more restrictive steps to be taken by the government in future.
Queen Margrethe said she was feeling frightened from Muslim “extremists” who have dedicated their life only for religion, Reuters said.
“There is also something frightening about such a totality which is also a part of Islam.”
She stressed that certain response must be shown “and sometimes one must run the risk of being labeled in a less flattering way. Because there are certain things with which one should not be tolerant.”
The monarch said there is “something impressive about people for whom religion imbues their existence, from dusk to dawn, from cradle to grave.”
The Danish government announced last year plans to curb the activities of “radical” religious leaders, a measure seen as specifically targeting imams.
The rules oblige religious leaders to be financially self-sufficient, speak Danish and respect Western values or risk being declared persona non grata.
Integration
The monarch said immigrants in the Nordic country should learn the Danish language in order to easily integrate into society.
She maintained “it is wise to make demands on the language. We should not be content with living next to each other. We should rather live together.”
Many newcomers do not learn Danish and unemployment rates among them is still much higher than among Danes, as are crime rates.
Immigrants make up about 8% of Denmark's 5.4 million -- about a third of them come from other EU countries or North America.
Among the immigrants is Margrethe's daughter-in-law, the very popular Crown Princess Mary, who is from Australia.
But Denmark has cracked down on migration in the past three years and the anti-immigrant Danish People's Party, an ally of the center-right government, has pushed through laws making it harder to bring in foreign spouses or qualify for asylum.
Danish Muslims - estimated at 170,000 or around 3 per cent of Denmark's 5.4 million - sounded the alarms that much more restrictive steps would be taken by the government in future.
Islam is Denmark's second largest religion after the Lutheran Protestant Church, which is actively followed by four-fifths of the country's population. |
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| St_Andrew |
| :wtf: :wtf: I just lost all my respect for the danish queen (not that i had any before but still :p) |
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| trancaholic |
ShadoWolf: She's not my Queen. She's the Queen of Denmark - I don't really have much emotional attachment to her and her family. I'm not a royalist. Their weddings and birthdays provide a lot of old people with something to talk about while they wait to die in the nursing homes, though. And Denmark gets good business relations through their visits abroad. So I'm not an anti-royalist either.
From the actual quotes in the article, I disagree with only one:
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
The monarch said there is “something impressive about people for whom religion imbues their existence, from dusk to dawn, from cradle to grave.” |
I don't find religious people impressive - I feel only contempt and sadness for them.
But from what the Queen actually have said, there's a loooong way to your sentiments on "invasions" in Europe. She spoke out on the incompatibility of religious fanaticism and Danish culture and tradition, including the pillars of democracy and enlightement, and need for us to hold onto those even when that means that we need to be political uncorrect, in a period were the public debate in Denmark revolved around political correctness/tolerance of other cultures(* see below). What she is not doing is to condemn Islam as a religion, nor does she think that there's a global conspiracy among muslims to take over Europe through immigration.
As to your comment on "listening to my Queen": Even though I agree with you that militant/fundamentalist Islam has no place in the societies of Europe (because of its stated wish for theocracy), I do not extrapolate into the lunacy that seems to have grabbed you. Further I don't see the same need for action that most of your posts seem to call out for. In Denmark we have laws defining exactly what we, as a society, can accept (e.g. killing someone is illegal even if your cleric told you to/your cultural background commends it), and we punish those who won't abide by them. Hard.
*: The comments followed the killing of the Dutch moviemaker who made the Islam-movie and the death threats against the screenwriter of said movie. At that point our PM (in his role as leader of the Danish liberal party) gave the "Freedom" award to the screenwriter (in absentia) to show support of freedom of speech. That triggered an outrage by Danish Imams, who clearly thought that creating such a movie should be illegal. Further, in the same period a former detainee of Guantanamo Bay stated on Danish television that it was "ok" to kill the Danish PM, because Denmark was "at war with muslims everywhere" (Denmark took part in the invasion of Iraq). |
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| St_Andrew |
So you agree with all these quotes?
| quote: | “We have to show our opposition to Islam and we have to, at times, run the risk of having unflattering labels placed on us because there are some things for which we should display no tolerance,”
“We are being challenged by Islam these years - globally as well as locally.
“It is a challenge we have to take seriously. We have let this issue float about for too long because we are tolerant and lazy.” |
The problem i have with it is that she refers islam, not extreame islam. I would say there is a huge difference, there is no problem with most muslims, there are just the most extreame ones that we have to "watch out for". Saying things like that just makes ppl generalise even more and is very dangerous imo. |
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