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| jrbuddha |
http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=1425
| quote: | TDK's 100GB Blu-ray Disc
Much of the talk between Sony and Toshiba about exchanging numbers, going on a date and having that nervous first kiss appears to have died off and we’re back to the more traditional format fighting that accompanies new technologies. Blu-ray partners look determined to rub HD DVD’s nose in it too as TDK has now announced a 100GB Blu-ray disc.
The four layer behemoth is recordable and, according to TDK, capable of writing data at 72Mbps - double that of current Blu-ray media. It also rather rains on the parade of the 45GB triple layer HD DVD disc only announced this month. |
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| erdega |
I've followed blu ray for a while so this is no surprise to me. As a matter of fact Sony has already developed 200 GB blu ray disc http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,117867,00.asp
and if you read this presentations you can see that there are works for 200 GB discs at 216mbps bandwidth.
http://www.blu-raydisc.com/assets/d...ology-12992.pdf
It's the first media disc in a while that has the potential of storage and bandwidth to unite and replace all the previous formats. It's especially good now that it will be included in ps3. |
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| Subey |
| quote: | Originally posted by erdega
It's the first media disc in a while that has the potential of storage and bandwidth to unite and replace all the previous formats. It's especially good now that it will be included in ps3. |
This ignores the end user.
It's like computer games for PC. What percentages of PC games being sold today come on DVD as opposed to CD? 95% are still distributed on CD even though DVD is better. Anyone getting a new pc game has to have a decent system to play these games, which one would assume has a DVD player, but still, its all CDs.
Consumers will never buy new DVD players, and video stores will never change their inventory for the improvements between DVD and blue ray DVD.
Incremental improvements don't change the landscape. |
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| erdega |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subey
This ignores the end user.
It's like computer games for PC. What percentages of PC games being sold today come on DVD as opposed to CD? 95% are still distributed on CD even though DVD is better. Anyone getting a new pc game has to have a decent system to play these games, which one would assume has a DVD player, but still, its all CDs.
Consumers will never buy new DVD players, and video stores will never change their inventory for the improvements between DVD and blue ray DVD.
Incremental improvements don't change the landscape. |
all the games for playstation 3 will come on blu ray disc but blu ray drive on ps3 itself will play every other disc from plain old cd to super audio to every kind of dvd. Major pc companies like hp and dell will also be including blu ray disc and even apple will sell it on macs :disbelief . I think computer users will be the first to jump on blu ray in order to backup their hard discs on a few discs
Obviously it's a next generation disc that will drive adoption of hd in a major way. People will buy hdtv because of playstation and will buy playstation if they have an hdtv. It's just a major step up from dvd, video is at least 6 times better, audio is way better and interactivity is supposed to be really inovative |
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| Aiwendil |
| like, what would the advantages of such a large capacity be for games themselves? more playable area? |
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| djdust |
| apparently pioneer has been to achieve 500gb. on a ultraviolet laser. of course- that's in the future, but still-- imagine the possibilities |
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| erdega |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aiwendil
like, what would the advantages of such a large capacity be for games themselves? more playable area? |
Well 1080p hdtv has 6 times better resolution of dvd and presumably 6 times more storage space. Plus interactivity, surround sound and all the other frills more than add up to fill these discs. That's why they are adding layers to expand storage to 100,200 gb. |
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| erdega |
Video-game consoles get ready for HD
| quote: | BUT CONSUMERS MAY NEED NEW TELEVISIONS
By Dean Takahashi
Mercury News
LOS ANGELES - The ``HD era'' is coming as a new generation of video-game consoles gives gaming a dose of high-definition cinema. Or at least that's the party line from Microsoft and Sony, repeated at every opportunity during the E3 trade show in Los Angeles last week.
Left unsaid is the risk that video games on high-definition TV won't be accessible or satisfying for many people. Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo's new consoles will still play games on old analog television sets. But Microsoft in particular is pushing its Xbox 360 as a natural accessory for a high-definition TV.
But the dawning of the HD era means consumers will have to fork over a lot more than just $300 or $400 for a new game console. To exploit the machines' capabilities, gamers may have to buy HDTV sets that cost anywhere from $600 for a 26-inch model to $10,000 for a 60-inch model.
Personal computers already can display game graphics at higher resolutions. But among the current game consoles, only the Xbox can display games at such high resolutions as 720p -- which stands for the number of vertical scan lines and the ``progressive'' way the TV displays images.
Only a couple of dozen games can be played on TVs with 720p resolution. Just five are compatible with the highest-resolution 1080i sets. The ``i'' stands for interlaced, meaning half of an image is displayed every 60th of a second and the other half of the image in the next 60th of a second. Progressive televisions are newer and display entire images at once.
Games for the Xbox 360 console debuting in the fall will be designed for a minimum resolution of 720p. That means there will be more than 800,000 pixels, or little dots that create the images on the screen. The greater the number of dots, the sharper the picture and greater the resolution. Many of the TVs hitting the market now can display at a resolution of 720p.
Peter Moore, Microsoft's corporate vice president of marketing for the Xbox, says the software giant targeted its console at mainstream HDTV sets, which could cost as little as $400 by the holidays. The Xbox 360 games shown at E3 on 720p-resolution TVs looked good to some attendees, but others complained the games didn't look much better than current Xbox games.
Best on big screen
Sony's PlayStation 3 console also will work with older TVs. But the console is expected to be optimized for games that play on 1080i-resolution televisions. That translates to more than 2 million pixels on screen, or about six times the number of pixels as an analog TV set and perhaps twice that of the Xbox 360, says David Kirk, chief scientist at graphics-chips company Nvidia.
Gamers, he adds, will notice the difference.
At E3, Sony wowed the crowd with game demos that looked like reality. With the exception of Epic Games' ``Gears of War'' demo for the Xbox 360, the Microsoft games had graphics flaws that hard-core gamers would spot.
The Microsoft games looked like, well, games. But Sony's demos -- as orchestrated for demo purposes as they were -- stunned gamers with their cinematic feel.
Jon Peddie, a graphics expert at Jon Peddie Research, said there were no discernible flaws in the ``Kill Zone'' futuristic combat game that Sony showed off for the PlayStation 3. In one demo, Sony showed how it could splice images from the ``Spider-Man 2'' movie with cars from its ``Gran Turismo'' racing game. Watchers said it was hard to tell the difference between the game and the video.
Richard Doherty, an analyst at the Envisioneering Group, said people who buy Xbox 360 games may notice they won't look as good on more sophisticated high-definition TVs that will be available a few years from now. He says that's because it's harder to take an image made for a smaller number of pixels and scale it up to run on a TV with a larger number of pixels.
Kazuo Hirai, president and chief operating officer of Sony's U.S. game unit, says the PlayStation 3 is ``future-proofed'' for changes in TV technology.
But Microsoft's Moore asked, ``How many 1080p TV sets are on the market now? None. We made our console so you can play HD games in 2005.''
Big gamble
Sony's console plays BluRay HD storage disks, which means the PlayStation 3 can store 50 gigabytes of HD movies and HD games. That's a big gamble because the industry hasn't settled on BluRay as a standard and because BluRay disks are expensive compared with DVDs. The Xbox will use dual-layer DVD disks that store up to 8.5 gigabytes. ``BluRay is a double-edged sword for Sony,'' says Robbie Bach, Microsoft's chief Xbox officer.
The PlayStation 3 also will be able to play games on two HDTV screens at the same time.
The question, though, is how much is this all going to cost you, and is it worth it?
`It's going to be up to the consumers,'' said Atari Chief Executive Jim Caparro.
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