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this trick i saw the other day
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| Omega_Blue |
so i was at PvD the other day and he did this trick.. he doubled up the track, dropped one track half a beat in between the playing track, and used the phono/line switch to switch the kick back and forth to make a neat little drumfill. so I ed around a bit and got it to work pretty good, but i was wondering- if he used the phono/line switch, it means that both tracks were on the same channel, so how did he listen to the other track to beatmatch it together and get it so they were perfectly half a step off?
the only way i could do it is having one track playing on (say channel 1 phono) and having a second track in traktor playing a half-step off in channel 2 (line) then syncing the same track in channel 1 (line) by clicking the sync button in traktor. kinda hard to explain but that's the only way i could match it without switching the phono/line switch. any explanations? |
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| Briden |
well, some mixers have a channel assign, so you can flip something out of one channel into another.. what mixer was it..
other than that.. beatmatching two tracks on the same channel, it would have been two of the same record, so, just put em in the same spot right?
doesn't PVD use final scratch anyway? in that case, he could have had had one real record on the deck, and one final scratch copy of the same, then dropped the FS one at the right spot just using the visual cues from FS.
maybe he was using two phono assign switches? |
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| Omega_Blue |
| hm.. couldn't tell what mixer it was, didn't know they could do that however. I can attest that he wasn't using final scratch, just some tech12's and a couple CDJ-1000's. i figured he probably used the same record and just happened to drop the one at the right time, but if you were just off a little, how would you be able to tell if they were right or not, ya know? it was pretty interesting to say the least. i'm confused. |
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| bent |
| Maybe he had two copies of the same record, on separate channels and threw the second copy back half a beat, then used the phono/line switch to cut the sound in and out on the second record? |
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| tu_face |
| are you sure he wasn't just using delay? its easily possible with 2 copies of the same track, but it's a lot of ing about when the mixer more than likely had the delay effect..? |
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| Omega_Blue |
| quote: | Originally posted by bent
Maybe he had two copies of the same record, on separate channels and threw the second copy back half a beat, then used the phono/line switch to cut the sound in and out on the second record? |
but still he would only be able to listen to (and play out) one track at a time with the phono/line switch.
I'm almost positive that it was the phono/line switch, even though I couldn't see the entire mixer setup. I just remember seeing him flick a switch back and forth in time with the beat that like I said made a pretty cool drumfill, and like I said before I tried it myself and it pretty much mimiced what he did. maybe there's a different switch on special mixers that i didn't know about.
"OR he wasnt doing anything with a second record, he was using an echo and using the line/phono as a gate style effect."
didn't feel like going through the process of quoting this, my bad. please explain this... |
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| spike_boy69 |
| as someone mentioned it was probably just the delay effect set on 1/2 beat length |
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| Dervish |
| quote: | | Originally posted by Omega_Blue I'm almost positive that it was the phono/line switch, even though I couldn't see the entire mixer setup. I just remember seeing him flick a switch back and forth in time with the beat that like I said made a pretty cool drumfill, and like I said before I tried it myself and it pretty much mimiced what he did. maybe there's a different switch on special mixers that i didn't know about. |
Sure he wasn't just using a hamster switch and two records? It's be alot easier. :conf: |
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| Trance Nutter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Omega_Blue
but still he would only be able to listen to (and play out) one track at a time with the phono/line switch.
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I almost didn't get what bent said too, but I'll explain it.
He had the two of the same record, one on each of channel1 and channel2. He can listen to and cue both, cos they are on different channels. He then had both channels fully open, so both were playing out. He can then use the selector switch on channel 2 to switch away from the phono signal on channel 2, hence killing the sound on channel 2 when he flicks to line. |
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| Omega_Blue |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trance Nutter
I almost didn't get what bent said too, but I'll explain it.
He had the two of the same record, one on each of channel1 and channel2. He can listen to and cue both, cos they are on different channels. He then had both channels fully open, so both were playing out. He can then use the selector switch on channel 2 to switch away from the phono signal on channel 2, hence killing the sound on channel 2 when he flicks to line. |
oh. that makes more sense.
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
Sure he wasn't just using a hamster switch and two records? It's be alot easier. :conf: |
what's a hamster switch? |
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| Dervish |
It reverses the channels over, so the crossfade hard to left = left channel flick the switch and hard to left now = right channel.
So flicking it on and off with the fader hard to one side would flick between two channels. Just sounds like the easiest way. |
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| bent |
Yeah I don't think I explained myself too well..
I mainly use that trick with the xfader, but for hip hop, not trance - maybe thats why PVD used the phono/line switch cause it might be easier to use that instead of the xfader for trance (higher bpm than hip hop) |
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