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A Message from Markus Schulz (pg. 19)
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| Plastick |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Piazza
I finally am seeing the reason why TA is a great place for dance music.
The real fans of the music are now speaking.
A few pages ago I asked myself why i joined this conformist place but now I am remebering why. :)
Excellent posts:
tribu
tiesto14
DiMethGuy
TTA
you really have changed my mind on TA ; for the better.
Fight the Power ! |
I really dont see how tiesto14 had made excellent posts in this thread.
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
Who is this Markus Schulz character anyway? |
Because he's an anti ms? |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
I have the sense that people are blaming me for the . Well I'll be blunt as usual, I doubt I'm going to stop saying that certain people are killing the damn scene imo nor I am going to hide. No offence Markus but you got too many people kissing your ass and it must be pathetic as feck. I respect Markus, he trying to make a career and pay the bills. I don't agree with where he is going but I just don't care. I figure that it is time to speak up at times and tranceaddict has always been that special place to do it. Here, you have both sides to everything and that won't change. Nice post Markus but I'm not going to change my views or stop saying what I want. I have the freedom of free speech and yes it does have limits but I have not crossed those limits. Markus will make the top 100 this year and his fans will be happy and his detractors won't be, nuff said. |
i was waiting for you to ultimately post, and this just made my night :D
perhaps i'm also blamed and am among the 's' who rip on Markus. I'm sure the guy's alright but nevertheless i rip on him, among other djs, on account of their djing/production skills that i particularly dislike or abominate. In any case, i likewise agree it was a nice post and i wish you the best of luck, but to make this concise, i agree with pretty much all TTA said.
now im off to bed... |
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| A.J. |
Great post from the man himself, Swamper
:D :D :D |
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| Dave Piazza |
READ THESE POSTS CAREFULLY. THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SAY ALL THIS TIME.
| quote: | Originally posted by trance-ecj
I read all the posts here and in the previous thread regarding an issue that'stied into this which was eventually closed.
Dave, I felt for you earlier, but it was really hard to read the pages afterwards with your comments...it got to be a bit childish and you let your "bad day" get the best of you when you needed to step up yourself to overcome what has happened. I think people woul have REALLY listened to you if you acted a little more....mature for lack of a better word.
Now seeing this post by Markus...I did a double take. Though I may not have agreed with your behavior earlier, Dave, I agree with what you are saying now. Respect to you Markus as a DJ/producer, but even though I am an outsider regarding the issue tying these two threads together, I was not swayed away from what Dave has been arguing and am a little concerned how quickly you decided to pop by and leave now that this issue has gotten big. Though I find validity in your post, I can't help but think that hidden behind your statement is a method to get people to turn away from the Dave incident and try to look at you as taking the high road and standing up for something that sounds good and looks as though we would need in this time where TA seems to be going downhill. Anyone can stand up and say flaming is bad. Anyone can stand up and say we should all respect each other, and it will all sound good. How can anyone say that's not right? It is right...everyone deserves respect and flaming can not only limit intellectual deliberation in a great public community, but can also unnecessarily hurt people.
However, it still strikes me odd that you posted this now, after a thread quickly grew regarding a situation involving you and Dave.
Again, I don't know the full story. My guess is that these "positive" comments are meant to stop people from perusing the issue regarding yourself. After all, if it is true that Dave was forced to stop critiquing you and your style, wouldn't it look bad for a big DJ to be concerned with 1 person's view? Maybe you fear his comments might yield others to begin seeing the same things. Just speculation.
Who knows. It might just be a coincidence that you posted here after all this talk. If so, respect to you for posting and sharing with this great community. But again, I'm here to say that I am not easily won by your comments until this is all resolved. I, as well, as others, have become interested in this mess, and I for one, am not gonna forget about it just like that. I agree Dave has the right to post his opinions (even if he comes off as a child...seriously Dave, don't let them win so easily) and that he shouldn't be silenced. I also believe that you, Mr. Shultz, are big enough to let whatever he says roll off your back. I don't know if this all goes back to you POSSIBLY being upset with Dave's remarks a while back, but your case hasn't won me over with one "positive outlook" post in a time like this where your name is being talked about a little more than usual.
I'm not exactly picking a side right now. All I'm saying is that just because Markus has posted something that everyone can agree with, and just because Dave went off a stupid rant earlier, it doesn't resolve the issue that was originally debated not too long ago...freedom of speech.
It'll be interesting to see where this ends up and what I eventually decide. If anyone thinks this whole thing is stupid, it's not. It really means a lot at this point. We got freedom of speech in the issue as well as how we view our DJ's and their actions. If Markus isn't involved in this whole mess, fine. Sorry it came to this. If he is and is upset with anti-Markus comments, it's not right for the DJ to take steps to make those comments "go away".
My word...may the discussion go on. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Remiks
Mr. Schulz, I'll call u that, I don't really think u have the right to call out admins saying they need to censor these boards more. If you might recall WW2 is over and the 3rd Reich has fallen, we no longer operate under fascism or the inluence of the iron eagle, plus these are message boards where listeners express distates, as well as what they do you like.Personally, I don't like your music, I think it sounds rather wanky, with a twist of wannabe the next Sasha, but I'm not making a petition to censor Markus Schulz' music. With that said, I don't understand why you take this "negativity" as a stepping stone to eliminating loyal followers of the scene, who are merely trying to be heard, because all the pop bull you/other dj's hammer who I won't even mention, must be clogging alot of ears. They are merely expressing their sadness more than anything that the music has turned for the worse, and if the only way they can get it across to you, is putting down the people who have plagued the scene with bad music, then the more power to them.
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| quote: | Originally posted by Swamper
The very reason a lot of people in the industry read this board is because users aren't afraid to voice their opinions - AND - mods don't censor things to cater to a certain DJ/label/whatever. The mods on here do a lot of work as it is - just because it isn't obvious to you doesn't mean threads aren't being closed/deleted or abusive users aren't being suspended.
Yes, there are lots of people on Tranceaddict that have a PASSION for EDM -- some are so extreme that they feel they have to trash other artists/DJs in order to make their point more valid. "DJ XYZ is garbage" / "You're a n00b because you like DJ ABC", etc.
I do not think the quality of the posts on here has gone down - what has happened though - is that those that like to voice their negativity do so more often - creating that illusion. Remember, if someone enjoys something they'll likely post about it once or twice - BUT - if they really disapprove of a track/artist then they'll make it their calling to go out of their way to make sure EVERYONE knows. They repeat their same opinions over and over again until they feel a point of saturation has been reached and enough people have seen their 'brilliant' thoughts.
How do you control this? Not easily. Sure, you could put up a whole ton of rules but where does it end? Eventually you have a bunch of restrictions and people are no longer comfortable voicing things for fear they may be in violation of one of them. I look at it the same as putting rules on little kids - they'll do whatever is in their power to bend them.
The roots of this are not TA specific - it is EDM specific. What I mean is, EDM 'fans' usually go through transitions - initially with people that were open-minded to this different sound -- a sound that could be heard at events not normally attended by the 'masses' -- thus contributing to the overall acceptance & tolerance that came along with being involved in the 'scene'. Somehow, as things grew & time passed, those that were around a while no longer felt like they were part of a small community -- causing them to feel like they were losing their 'identity' and had to branch out and funnel their tastes to a certain sub-genre or particular DJ(s)-- all the while dismissing what they once enjoyed - since it was now 'cheese' and loved by too many.
Dave, all the crap in this thread tonight was a little much, replying once or twice would have been sufficient - now you should take it to PM/email and resolve it - trust me - it can only get uglier if it stays in here. (in terms of flaming/comments/getting nothing accomplished)
The beauty of TA is that you can all say what you want, hell, you can tell me to off, but, you have to list your reasons if you do.
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| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
I have the sense that people are blaming me for the . Well I'll be blunt as usual, I doubt I'm going to stop saying that certain people are killing the damn scene imo nor I am going to hide. No offence Markus but you got too many people kissing your ass and it must be pathetic as feck. I respect Markus, he trying to make a career and pay the bills. I don't agree with where he is going but I just don't care. I figure that it is time to speak up at times and tranceaddict has always been that special place to do it. Here, you have both sides to everything and that won't change. Nice post Markus but I'm not going to change my views or stop saying what I want. I have the freedom of free speech and yes it does have limits but I have not crossed those limits. Markus will make the top 100 this year and his fans will be happy and his detractors won't be, nuff said.
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| Esrem |
It's very important having freedom of speech, but that doesn't mean we can stop being polite! If your angry and shouting at anyone in real life, it doesn't work, it doesn't solve anything!! Everyone only becomes more and more angry. If you're just calm and say what's on your mind, people will listen to you...
And I think, my opinion:D, it's a bit stupid to think it works different on the internet... |
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| Donna |
| its even more stupid to let others deside what comes out of YOUR mouth,just cuz they became big cuz of the internet.. |
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| Esrem |
| It's about HOW it comes out of your mouth... |
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| Donna |
| hehe thats not true,that doesnt matter:) |
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| Massive84 |
| quote: | Originally posted by markusschulz
Hi everyone,
I have never posted here on Tranceaddict, I choose to be the quiet type, just reading peoples views and opinions on everything from music to production and I have even occasionally wandered into the political forums, as I feel that tranceaddict.com is a community of people who I can relate to. Alot of the people here are misunderstood in the real world, or have a passion for music that few outside of an Internet community can relate to. For this reason I have held tranceaddict.com in a high regard. I can also say that I am not the only one, there are alot of big DJs that feel the same , but are uncomfortable posting. Whenever there is a gathering of Tranceaddicts at any gig, whether I am playing or not, I always make it a point to thank every one of them. Lately the boards have really taken a turn for the worst. I am not sure if it is just from a noisy few members or what, but it really has
made the board feel unfriendly and uncomfortable to read at times. I certainly don’t think censorship of any kind is acceptable, however I think its time for the moderators of the forums to get things under control here. This message board is not just about music; it is a community of passionate people who have music as a common bond. We should all respect each other. When coming across someone who has a different opinion than you, maybe continuing a discussion in a non-offensive manner may reveal that you have a lot more in common than you think. Even if there are people whose music I don’t like, I am still friends with them and respect them, because I have gotten to know them outside of just their music. Dave Dresden and I argue all the time about some of his tracks, but he is still a great friend who I have a lot in common with and enjoy hanging with away from the music. Dave also proves me wrong a lot, and I humbly admit it. Ozgur Can thinks a lot of my music is too “progblipblop”, but we are still good friends, and support each other. I have read many posts with opposing views then my own, and respected the person, for giving well thought out points. I have also read many peoples views about the music and that I and the other members of the “Evil Trio” play. I know that not everyone enjoys the music that I play, I accept that. I actually find that a challenge, because it keeps me working harder, to try to win you over. But just remember, music is art, and not everyone likes the Mona Lisa. But the people that do are very passionate about it.
Thank you to everyone who is supportive, I appreciate your kindness. I hope that I am able to bring some joy to your lives through music. The people that don’t like my style of music, that’s ok too, maybe we have a sports team, a politician, TV show or a favorite Pop Idol wannabe in common. Respect me, and what I am doing is all I ask. I do it for the love of music, I am just lucky to be able to support my family with my career in music.
Respect to you all!
Markus Schulz |
Lol, things that can happen when you go to sleep hehe.
Anyway let me start with this, Hi, Markus.
Now to the point.
Your asking us to be more constructive and the mods should work harder according you. Now my question would be, what gives you the right to say that, while your not active on the boards, yes you claim to read it, but you never made any post and this is your first one, and maybe the last?
As Swamper stated and am very happy that he did, the Beauty of TA is that everyone can say what he or she wants without any danger. Saying in real life that a this soccer club sux in front of the fans, can be the result of you being beaten up(yes it is a sad world). Saying in real life that your a gay person will result in that people will look weird on you.
Here is the beauty of TA, you can say all you want, and in the worst case you will get mad responses but that's it!
Your never active, you never posted, so how do you know how a moderator should do his/her job?
Let me ask you, what is the meaning of constructive exactly for you? Do you find it painful when someone says "Markus sucks" or do you rather hear "Markus is bad, his mixing skills are not good and he is boring" ? Now the first comment sounds harsh indeed, but sometimes people have the reason to be harsh, and the second comment is more polite but both indicate that this person is not happy with you.
Now you desire the second form, so let me reverse the situation.
"Markus ROX!!!" I assume you find this very annoying comment because there is nothing constructive in it...may I laugh? Because am sure you are reading comments like these with joy, because it indicates people are happy with you.
So why claim that TA should be more constructive? Because there are 2 kind of people, the ones that like you and the ones that don't and BOTH have their freedom to say it! And remember this well!
Your a producer/dj you should know that these things happen, you should know that TA is for everyone, and you should learn to handle situations like these, and instead of asking people to be more constructive, ask them why they say that you suck, because as a producer my self i do the same thing to improve my self.
I didn't read the whole topic but i think I am the only one that will think that your message is meaningless, you say we should respect each other, but you don't respect the people that don't look up to you, you claim that you are great friends with Ozgur and Dave Dresden but you don't like their opinions always, but yet you complained about Dave plaza. You claim that TA is not constructive, because people tend to say simple-minded things "Markus sucks, smells, stinks etc." but the ones that say simple minds things in the reversed situation "Rox, good, awesome" don't get any complains from you I assume.
All in all, if you don't like TA don't read it.
And if you are wondering which side i am? not one, i just listen to music that sounds pleasent to my ears, so i have no idol or favorite track, i have to say there was this 2 hour set from you once that i really loved, but sometimes you didn't impress me, but that goes for ASOT, tiesto, and many things for me :).
Fahad |
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the forum used to be good because you had people who all had a different taste of "trance" so there would be equalling opinions on both sides, but nowadays everyone just likes the same thing and anything else just get spat on or ignored, which is making the forums a very one sided place and the reason i hardly post in music discussion anymore. its rather annoying.
so yeh, i dont particularly like your music but you do have a point on the state of TA atm. |
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| Ste |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Piazza
Markus is a very clever man indeed. This post was a attempt to address this issue indirectly ( why else would he decide to post ) :
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Behind the Decks with Dave Piazza || Cancelled
Behind the Decks with Dave Piazza has been cancelled because of some personal disputes I am having with the Party107 staff. As a result I am withdrawing my show from Pary107.com
The Party107 staff feel that I must censor my comments on TranceAddicts made to Markus Schulz and his groupies because they offend him and GDJB.
I will not restrict my personal freedom of speech and expression. I must be true to myself and my fans. I have made the choice to be an indpendent person not pulled around like a puppet by the Part107 and GDJB strings.
Thank you all for your support and hope to find a new internet home for Behind the Decks.
Regards.
Dave Piazza
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Yet I dont see how his repsonse brings closure to the issue of free speach and individual rights. In my mind, he has only suggested further restraint of these rights through further mod. control. |
you truly are the great arsehole of this earth. i hope your "fans" arnt too dissapointed. |
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