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Debate: warez & samples
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skytribe
I find it endlessly interesting around here that any discussion of warez is immediately hushed up and thrown off the board. If someone asks a question about software, there will invariably be a flood of RTFM responses.

Yet when people want samples from movies, from songs, etc, and MIDI files from tracks, they just get pointed in the right direction.

It's equally illegal to use pir8 software as it is to use uncleared samples, a cappellas, and MIDI files. In fact, we as a group should be even more stringent about people using music files illegally, as music production (and, eventually, revenue generation) is why we're all here.

So what's the difference?
ezbeats
i think its as long as we think it might be legal or illegal we go from there, you may be right that some samples or things we refer to on here are illegal, but we just dont know for sure, black and white, that it is illegal, but warez, that is obviously illegal...

thats my only explanation.
skytribe
Except we do know. Unless the copyright holders of the song in question have given us each permission, in writing, we know the samples aren't legal.
Vert
The reason it is hushed, is because this site could be affected by supporting such discussion.

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Vizay
as far as it comes to acapellas...I don't really support the spreading of em here on the boards because yeah...it's illegal...

when it comes to samples, as long as the copywriteholder has given his/her okay to share it...then fine but otherwise I don't think it should be shared here.

when it comes to MIDI-files I don't mind....why you might ask, well simply because anyone that's not tonedeaf can always take out a melody by himself/herself so it doesn't matter as much as samples and acapellas do


that's just my 5 cents :)
Dirty Ice
I think I agree with skytribe. Also, what do u think about bands that run around playing other peoples music and getting paid by bar's and clubs for it. That may be wrong, but it happens everyday, and nobody minds that. I also think that midi or most anything you find here on this board is more for learning and studying. But who knows
Vert
Equally illegal? get a clue

A midi file is merely note data, for use in remixes, samples too. Why are they pointed in the right direction? Because remixing is ENCOURAGED in this industry. :rolleyes:

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Digital Aura
Skytribe has hit it on the head. No doubts.
Its because the Recording Industry and software companies have turned so many heads with all their recent actions against piracy and mp3s that lesser crimes (which are still piracy) such as sampling go relatively unnoticed.
Vert
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Originally posted by Digital Aura
Skytribe has hit it on the head. No doubts.
Its because the Recording Industry and software companies have turned so many heads with all their recent actions against piracy and mp3s that lesser crimes (which are still piracy) such as sampling go relatively unnoticed.


Software companies have? Since when. You people are grouping all these offenses together as "equally illegal". You imply that all sampling, and MIDI's for that matter are bad.

Why does the RIAA make a stink about people pirating mp3s? BECAUSE IT AFFECTS THEIR PROFITS. If people sample from songs does it affect the sampled song's profits? Not at all. People only make stinks about things if they are loosing money or could be earning money as a result of it. Period.

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Thunder5
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Originally posted by Dirty Ice
Also, what do u think about bands that run around playing other peoples music and getting paid by bar's and clubs for it. That may be wrong, but it happens everyday, and nobody minds that.


Well, in most those cases the respective copyright owners get their royalties.

skytribe
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Originally posted by Vert
You people are grouping all these offenses together as "equally illegal". You imply that all sampling, and MIDI's for that matter are bad.


Uhh, that's because they are.

If I take an unlicensed a cappella and use it in a remix, that's copyright infringement, and illegal.

If I take an unlicensed sample, and use it in a remix, that is also illegal.

If I use a MIDI file to do a remix, without permission from the copyright holder, that is also illegal.

Explain to me, please, how these things are not equally illegal?

More to the point, explain to me how it's not unethical to steal someone else's work? How would you like it if some snotnosed kid stole your a cappella that took you hours of blood, sweat, and tears to perfect, made some quick-ass remix, and made bucks off it?

Come off it, guys. Sampling without permission is illegal and just plain wrong.
skytribe
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Originally posted by Vert
The reason it is hushed, is because this site could be affected by supporting such discussion.

es


Ah, okay. Let me see if I've got this right... the site hushes discussion of warez, because that could affect its ongoing operation.

But the site doesn't actively discourage the one thing that we all, as musicians, should be discouraging, which is theft of our copyrighted material?
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