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does this help writting a song?
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| Aquarius |
| Hey i sat down at fruity loops for my first 4 hours getting familiar and trying to scrap together a song even if crappy. But i was wondering about the order of "writting" it or creating it. Like should i work on chorus first? like main release bit whateva you call it and then work the beat around it? or should i make the beat first? also i was wondering if anyone knew of any sites with free tutorials on how to read/write music. THanks |
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| Tranc3 |
http://www.musictheory.net/
Usually when I start off, I'll have a melody already transcribed, usually it's on a torn piece of paper that I ripped from a h.w. assignment or something when I thought of it in class. Then I fit a chord progression to it, add harmony and counterpoint, and lastly work on the percussion. I usually have a percussive track going on in the background just for a point of reference, kinda like a metronome...but not the final track. |
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| zooter |
| dude...ur wish.....even after so many years, i don't know which is the best method...try out different ways, find whichever is comfortable to you and concentrate more on what you make than how you make it........best of luck, hope to hear some of ur stuff soon........... |
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| John |
do whatever comes in mind first.. sometimes i start with a melody, other times with a kick and percussion. although tracks where i start with a melody have more change to get finished :D
| quote: | | http://www.musictheory.net/ |
nice site tranc3, i still want to learn more about theory. so im gonna look at it closely once i've finished my exams next week:) |
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| dbl |
there's a thread here somewhere about in which order we (the producers here) make our track's in...
and it's pretty different.. it's a mather of taste only.. some starts with kick and bass and percussions and such.. then on the intro and then the lead come's..
some start with the lead first and then kick/bass/percussions.. and then start from the intro with that...
some do the same, but instead of going to the intro they work around the mainlead...
there's so many options.. do it the way you like it |
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| Mossy |
| i think the 'problem' most people, who aren't classically trained or whatever, have with producing is that there is no set way of doing things. People say do it the way you feel is right, but throughout life you have been taught to do things the way your told! Its really difficult for a newbie producer to sit down and write music with nothing but other tunes to use a guideline. I also think that whilst a lot of newbies on here constantly ask how to make a sound like another tune thats already out are doing themselves no favours. If you want to imitate a sound, sure ask maybe what instrument it was created with but if your not prepared to sit down and recreate it yourself your wasting everyones time. Just realised im ranting, ill stop now :) |
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| Jay M |
I got to say that when i make a beat with percussion first, which is to me the easy part, and after that a trance lead... well if the Trance lead sucks a often throw it all away and start over, whether the percs/beat is ok or not. Which means that I might throw good stuff away, namely the beat and the percs. So in my case it would be better to start off with the synth melody and so, then a bassline. If I like the melody i created, I can create a beat around it and then the rest comes naturally :D
Off course for some people this can work the other way around. Point is for my feeling: start with the hardest part. (Hardest to generate. EQ-ing/compressing/etc. is done later and can be a pain in the ass)
For other styles it's different too. If you'd like to create some tribal/jungle stuff with mucho percussions, you will start with these, because you use less synth...
Find theories that suit you and practise a lot and begin over and over and over again as often as you can until you... drop..? :D
But most important: Have fun! |
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| John |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mossy
i think the 'problem' most people, who aren't classically trained or whatever, have with producing is that there is no set way of doing things. People say do it the way you feel is right, but throughout life you have been taught to do things the way your told! Its really difficult for a newbie producer to sit down and write music with nothing but other tunes to use a guideline. I also think that whilst a lot of newbies on here constantly ask how to make a sound like another tune thats already out are doing themselves no favours. If you want to imitate a sound, sure ask maybe what instrument it was created with but if your not prepared to sit down and recreate it yourself your wasting everyones time. Just realised im ranting, ill stop now :) |
i believe you can train yourself in creating music. it's just practice (oke and some musical feeling ofcours:p). but you dont need to know theory to write a melody (although it is very useful).
a pro tune doesnt show you how it was made. it is an end-product. you can try to get to that too, in your own way. doesnt matter if you start with a synth or a kick.
i do agree with you that you that sitting down and creating the sound you want yourself is the only way to really learn it. but it's easier to ask then to find out something yourself i guess. :D |
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| Cuervo79 |
| I personally start first with tweaking the synth for the lead and after I've found an interesting sound start with the lead and keep adding stuff until i'm done |
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| MrCowski |
| I almost always start with a melody or chords, as these come pretty easily to me. I then write a bass and some other synths, with a filler beat. Then i add real drums, then sequence. |
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| Aquarius |
woah i was expecting a dot outline of just how to compose a song but i got a much more indepth answer thanks to all!! just one thing i thought when i read through your posts...
Perhaps the order of how to make a song ie. 1. perc 2. melody 3..... really depends on what sort of song you want to make. What i mean is certain types of songs have certain focus points in em. Like dnb songs and house songs are more focuzed around beats and bass while trance is more like melody...maybe im wrong but perhaps i just need to think about what sort of song i want to make before sitting down and trying to put one together just by trying to make a melody and beat off the top of my head. Thanks alot for all your posts this is gona help me tons.
Now i just need to learn how to read and write musiq so i too can jot my thoughts down.
Thanks party people :D |
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| kewlness |
| Personally, I tend to lay out the structure of the track before I insert the melody/melodies. I say this because it is much easier to add a new melody that fits into a given track and chordal arrangement than it is to try to arrange a track to a given melody. Why do I say this??? Melodies are flexible, they are not bound as the same rules theoretically as chords are. With a given chord structure, there are almost limitless possibilities as to what the melody can sound like, whereas with a given melody, there are only a limited amount of choices as to what your chord structure can be. I don't want to brag or anything, but I do find myself relatively successful in coming up with good melodies and I also have 10 years of classical music background so just something I wanted you to consider I guess... I'm not some random wanker off the net :toothless |
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