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| occrider |
Well, you know me ... I loves to pick on the UN:
Rwanda crash's black box found in U.N. filing cabinet
Edith M. Lederer
Associated Press
Mar. 12, 2004 12:00 AM
UNITED NATIONS - In what Secretary-General Kofi Annan called a "first-class foul-up," the United Nations said Thursday that it has discovered a black box sent from Rwanda after a 1994 plane crash that unleashed a genocide in the East African nation.
The device was found Wednesday in a locked filing cabinet in the U.N. Peacekeeping Department. Aviation experts put it there apparently in the belief its "pristine condition" ruled out the possibility that it came from the downed Falcon 50 jet, U.N. spokesman Fred Eckhard said.
The United Nations now intends to immediately send the black box, technically known as a flight data recorder, to "a qualified outside body for analysis of its contents" to determine whether it came from the plane that was carrying the presidents of Rwanda and Burundi, Eckhard said.
Annan also has instructed the Office of Internal Oversight Services, the U.N. watchdog, "to look into exactly what happened 10 years ago," Eckhard said.
The April 6, 1994, crash killed Rwandan President Juvenal Habyarimana, a Hutu, and his Burundian counterpart, Cyprien Ntaryamira, who had been attending a regional summit in Arusha, Tanzania.
When it became clear the plane had been shot down, Hutu extremists accused Tutsis of assassinating the Rwandan president and began attacking their longtime ethnic foes. The slaughterclaimed the lives of more than 500,000 people, mostly Tutsis.
The question of the black box came up during a French investigation of the crash, which also killed the French flight crew. Although the French have not released the results of their probe, a newspaper familiar with the findings said it accuses the United Nations of obstruction of justice for failing to inspect the downed aircraft's black box.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/artic...blackbox12.html
First class foul up??? No freaking . |
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| Shakka |
| That is simply deplorable. Somebody better lose a job, and lose it fast. Maybe Koffi himself. 10 years later and someone just happens to find it there??? :whip: |
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| imokruok |
Kofi's already on thin ice after his son got caught up in Saddam's oil-for-palaces program.
I wonder what other good stuff was in that filing cabinet. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by imokruok
Kofi's already on thin ice after his son got caught up in Saddam's oil-for-palaces program.
I wonder what other good stuff was in that filing cabinet. |
Probably about $10 Million in small, unmarked, non-sequential bills.;) |
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| Yoepus |
This racks up conspiracy, fraud, theft, and purgery charges against the UN. Someone should tkae them to court.
UN: "We didn't know it belonged to the Rwandan's plane, honest! We just found it in the jungle, you know and said lets put it in the peacekeeping filing cabinet for the hell of it... honest to God,Allah,Supreme Being we didn't know about it!":rolleyes:
:whip: :whip:
Someone should take the UN to the International Criminal Court :gsmile: :gsmile: :gsmile: |
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| Yoepus |
Kofi really has to go.
Did the following statement, in response to the Madrid bombing angered anyone else?
So much for being diplomatic:whip:
Kofi you old crock, crock!
hmm I wonder what it takes to impeach him....:tongue2 |
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| Renegade |
Yes it's a something of a -up, but let's just calm down a bit here. Although I know how much you guys love to get stuck into the UN (on the very, very rare occasions they don't quite get it right :D) put it in perspective: we don't know that it is from the Rwandan president's plane yet and it may not even be entirely the UN's fault.
According to the Guardian (see here):
| quote: | | Its pristine condition convinced aviation experts that it had not been involved in a crash, so rather than open and examine it - an expensive affair - they filed it and forgot about it, he said. |
Regardless of whether those aviation experts are from inside or outside the organistion, much of the fault lies entirely on their shoulders rather than the UN organisation as a whole. Similarly, even if the black-box had have been opened immediately after its arrival at the UN, it wouldn't have changed the succeeding circumstances given that it didn't arrive until after the massacres had already taken place:
| quote: | | It was sent by pouch from the UN mission in Rwanda in 1994, by way of Nairobi, Kenya, about two or three months after the genocide, Mr Eckhard said. |
It may tell us what actually happened, but it won't reverse what happened. It was a cock-up, no doubt about that, but can we wait until the test results come back before we start braying for Kofi's head? ;) |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Renegade
Yes it's a something of a -up, but let's just calm down a bit here. Although I know how much you guys love to get stuck into the UN (on the very, very rare occasions they don't quite get it right :D) put it in perspective: we don't know that it is from the Rwandan president's plane yet and it may not even be entirely the UN's fault. |
Why take the box then?
Why not make it of public record you found a pristine black box in the jungle. Why not give the box to the Rwanda government, or the French one.
..And don't tell me the box didn't have a name tag and a phone number on it which they could call if it was in such pristine condition incase it got lost.
Maybe the UN was just so good to their principles they actually refused to violate what the black box told them:
 And did not open it :crazy:
And why for godsname put a flight record in a PEACEKEEPING box. They could at least give it to their aviation department...
I don't know.. I smell conspiracy:D |
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| occrider |
In all fairness to the UN:
Black Box Not Thought to Be From Rwanda
Wed Mar 17, 9:59 PM ET
By EDITH M. LEDERER, Associated Press Writer
UNITED NATIONS - Initial tests indicate that the flight recorder recently discovered at the United Nations (news - web sites) is not linked to a 1994 plane crash that triggered Rwanda's genocide, a U.N. spokesman said Wednesday.
In a major embarrassment for the world organization, the recorder was discovered a week ago in a filing cabinet in the U.N.'s Air Safety Unit where it apparently languished for a decade after its arrival by diplomatic pouch from the U.N. Mission in Rwanda.
On Tuesday, U.N. officials took the "black box" to the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board (news - web sites) in Washington where it was opened in the presence of experts from the International Civil Aviation Organization, a U.N. agency based in Montreal, said U.N. spokesman Fred Eckhard.
After last week's discovery, there was speculation the recorder might have been from the plane shot down while carrying Rwandan President Juvenal Habyarimana and his counterpart from Burundi from a meeting in Tanzania. The genocide in Rwanda began as news of Habyarimana's death spread, and by the time it ended more than 500,000 people had been killed.
According to Eckhard, the aviation experts on Tuesday found that the "black box" — which was labeled a cockpit voice recorder — contained tapes lasting about 30 minutes that recorded some conversation in French.
"Nothing heard so far on the tape links the CVR (cockpit voice recorder) to the aircraft crash on April 6, 1994 in Rwanda," he said.
"Additional expert attention, as is normally the case, will be required to determine the exact contents of the tape and that process will take a bit more time," Eckhard said. "Only when we have this additional review can we draw any definite conclusions about the recorder."
The cockpit voice recorder — which is actually orange with two diagonal cream-colored stripes — was displayed in the U.N. spokesman's office on Wednesday afternoon. It had an Air France sticker on the front, though Eckhard said that didn't necessarily mean it came from an Air France plane.
The rectangular-shaped recorder was made by Fairchild Industrial Products of Comack, N.Y., and bore the serial number 6285. It arrived at U.N. headquarters with a sticker saying UNAMIR — the initials of the U.N. Assistance Mission in Rwanda — and the date 6/4/94. Eckhard asked for help in identifying it.
Denis Beissel, the retired U.N. official who received the recorder, told The Associated Press on Friday that he tried to get the black box analyzed but no one responded and it was "put on a shelf."
Even if the black box was from the downed plane, it is unlikely that the information inside would have changed the course of events. No one disputes that Habyarimana's plane was intentionally shot down, and there is little the flight data recorder could reveal about who was responsible.
The allegations about the black box first appeared in the French newspaper Le Monde.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...un_rwanda_probe |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
In all fairness to the UN:
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Hey! I've been setup, this is making me look ridiclous, this is smear campagin! I smell conspiracy :D
| quote: | | UNITED NATIONS - Initial tests indicate that the flight recorder recently discovered at the United Nations (news - web sites) is not linked to a 1994 plane crash that triggered Rwanda's genocide, a U.N. spokesman said Wednesday. |
ouch baby, ouch :(
| quote: | | In a major embarrassment for the world organization, the recorder was discovered a week ago in a filing cabinet in the U.N.'s Air Safety Unit where it apparently languished for a decade after its arrival by diplomatic pouch from the U.N. Mission in Rwanda. |
you lied to me, you told me they stored it in the peacekeeping cabinet! :eek: :mad:
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On Tuesday, U.N. officials took the "black box" to the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board (news - web sites) in Washington where it was opened in the presence of experts from the International Civil Aviation Organization, a U.N. agency based in Montreal, said U.N. spokesman Fred Eckhard. |
:stongue: !!! I've been vindicated! I knew those stupid blue hats didn't open the box! I can't believe they took things so literally.
Don't open the box, it says don't open, we shouldn't open it.. Ahh the UN, you kill me.:crazy: :stongue: :stongue: :tongue3
oh and i'm crossing my fingers they'll find away to link it anyway:disbelief |
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| occrider |
| Oh don't worry ... there's plenty left to criticize. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Oh don't worry ... there's plenty left to criticize. |
yea they did take the box after all. That's theft! |
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