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beat matching and pitch wavering question...
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| zizack |
Ok, I've been spinning with TT's for a few months now, and my beatmatching skills are getting pretty damn tight. I had a few questions regarding methods people use to beat match, and how to keep pitch wavering down to a minimum.
I put the record on, find my cue spot, and let it go on beat with the programmed song. I pitch float until I am in the ballpark. I always try to make it so my cued record is spinning faster, so while I beat match I am just slowing down, as opposed to speeding it up, which is a pain in the ass. It just works easier for me that way. Ok, so I'm coming in fast, slower...closer, slower...closer, slower...closer, bam...matched. I usually listen for around 10-16 bars to make sure the beats aren't going anywhere on me, and then I take the needle off, and let the record continue to spin until I need to get ready to mix, or sometimes I just stop the table, put it in cue position, and then start it when I am ready to mix it in.
I have a few questions...1. Is this pretty much THE way people beatmatch? I have 100% been teaching myself, and don't really have any reference for comparison. For me, it has been working. the 2nd and most important question...when you guys get the beat matched, do you stop the record, or let it spin utnil you need to mix in? Which is the more precise way to do it? Pretty often I will have teh beats matched perfectly, and then when I go back to the record, it seems to have drifted in the very slightest way, as so I have to make minor adjustments. It's a little annoying. I just wanted to know if it's something I'm gonna have to live with.
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| rxt |
it doesnt really matter how you beat match, as long as you are beat matching. having your own, self taught, style is very good.
its ok if you stop the record or continue to let it spin. it all depends on where the cue point is. if i need to back track to my cue point then ill stop the record and find the point again. as far as the beats coming off when you stop /start the record it might simply be that the beats are matched, but running at different intervals, just slightly touch the platter (creating a pitch bend) to correct this. if the beats become unmatched when you start/stop then it sounds like your pitch isnt staying where it should be. in this case i would assume you have some cheap, worn, maybe not so good tables.
upgrade / fix your tables... technics or the ttx1s :) |
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| auujay |
The main point is whatever works for you is fine, but sense you want to know how others do it I'll share my method.
Usually I start the cued record phasematched with the track that is playing out. I adjust the speed to get it close, either draging my fingers on the platter or twisting the center knob faster. When I feel like I have them matched and I am not ready to mix over yet I just let it run. As it is running eventually it may drift, when it does I correct and change the pitch accordingly (VERY slightly, as I am already really close). When it comes close to the time to mix I get the new record to where I want to pushoff (I usually just do this on the first beat, but sometimes a track may have a really long intro I want to shorten) and go from there.
Eventually I need to start beatmatching by just riding the pitch, but for now this works fine for me. |
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| zizack |
| quote: | Originally posted by rxt
it doesnt really matter how you beat match, as long as you are beat matching. having your own, self taught, style is very good.
its ok if you stop the record or continue to let it spin. it all depends on where the cue point is. if i need to back track to my cue point then ill stop the record and find the point again. as far as the beats coming off when you stop /start the record it might simply be that the beats are matched, but running at different intervals, just slightly touch the platter (creating a pitch bend) to correct this. if the beats become unmatched when you start/stop then it sounds like your pitch isnt staying where it should be. in this case i would assume you have some cheap, worn, maybe not so good tables.
upgrade / fix your tables... technics or the ttx1s :) |
thanks for the input. I have brabd new 1200's though, so it's not like it's my TT's. Obviously there is going to be some slight pitch waver, just because it's a TT. Thanks for the imput though. |
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| montie |
| quote: | Originally posted by zizack
Ok, I've been spinning with TT's for a few months now, and my beatmatching skills are getting pretty damn tight. I had a few questions regarding methods people use to beat match, and how to keep pitch wavering down to a minimum.
I put the record on, find my cue spot, and let it go on beat with the programmed song. I pitch float until I am in the ballpark. I always try to make it so my cued record is spinning faster, so while I beat match I am just slowing down, as opposed to speeding it up, which is a pain in the ass. It just works easier for me that way. Ok, so I'm coming in fast, slower...closer, slower...closer, slower...closer, bam...matched. I usually listen for around 10-16 bars to make sure the beats aren't going anywhere on me, and then I take the needle off, and let the record continue to spin until I need to get ready to mix, or sometimes I just stop the table, put it in cue position, and then start it when I am ready to mix it in.
I have a few questions...1. Is this pretty much THE way people beatmatch? I have 100% been teaching myself, and don't really have any reference for comparison. For me, it has been working. the 2nd and most important question...when you guys get the beat matched, do you stop the record, or let it spin utnil you need to mix in? Which is the more precise way to do it? Pretty often I will have teh beats matched perfectly, and then when I go back to the record, it seems to have drifted in the very slightest way, as so I have to make minor adjustments. It's a little annoying. I just wanted to know if it's something I'm gonna have to live with.
Thanks. |
might as well share my "method" also...
to find the right speed, i listen to the new song in the headphones and throw it off after just any bar. I then mess with the pitch going up and down, depending on which way i feel i should move it to beatmatch the record. I never touch the platter. ever.
when i tought myself to mix, i never used that method. i just stayed with the pitch the entire time. i find this works best for me (and pitchbending is the best method to keep the beats of the records from fluctuating off of eachother, it gives you more control over the record and plus its less noticable of a change in the speed of the record).
anyway, once i find what i think is the right speed, i normally stop the record and throw it on again and get the beats on again. to make sure everything sounds cool. if not i continue to adjust the pitch.
normally i'll let the two songs play for awhile at the same speed (depending on how much time i have before i'm gonna do my mix). I'll take off my headphones and go get a drink or chat a bit or whatever.
i'll then go back and listen to the records and see how much and in which direction the new record has fluctuated. i'll then adjust the pitch to get them back on beat and move the position of the pitch which i think is the same speed higher or lower depending on the amount of the fluctuation.
i'll then do my mix, pitch bending ever so slightly as the mix continues to keep everything as perfect as i can. |
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