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Canada may make bible illegal (pg. 2)
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| tathi |
What is the point of freedom of speech when religion opposes freedom of thought?
I doubt that making the bible illegal will accomplish anything, it is a part of our history and culture. Places of worship were the forcible brainwashing of naive youth and the weak of mind should be made illegal. |
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| Mikado |
THAT DOESNT MEAN IN REALITY!!!
In order to revise the books to declare homosexuality as legal + give em rights. They have to first tell everyone who is against it to STFU. This doesnt mean that were neo-Nazis attempting to wipe out all religions. It means were attempting to preserve all walks of life and ideology at the same time. Which in involves juggling a few "technicalities" around. In the end everything will work out. Gays and religion will co exist. They may even intertwine. ;)
This is a little more difficult than simply doing whatever the ing Catholics tell Bushwanker to do.
So please America hold your tongue. Or will burn down your capitol again…… ;) |
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| LiquidX |
| For what I have read on the Bible is that Man and Woman were created to make a couple, and not man with man or woman with woman. I dont recall nor remember reading that Homosexuals should be killed, and I think thats more up to what "god" decides afterdeath on judgment day, and to see which gays were born like that as a sickness or converted to gays just to experiment other things, or because they've slep with woman 10000 times and now want mans.. know what I mean?!?!.. well, im in College now, so I'll get back to this later. |
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| tathi |
| quote: | | Man and Woman were created to make a couple |
"Men and Women" were not created, "Male and Female" were not created. You do realise at one point our race were once asexual sea sponges ;) |
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| DaveSaenz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mikado
This is a little more difficult than simply doing whatever the ing Catholics tell Bushwanker to do.
So please America hold your tongue. Or will burn down your capitol again…… ;) |
Bravo. |
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| Mikado |
| quote: | Originally posted by LiquidX
I dont recall nor remember reading that Homosexuals should be killed, |
Jewish bible
Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mikado
Jewish bible
Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. |
Just so people don't misconstrue your statements as being less than impartial, Leviticus is used by religions outside of Judaism as well ;) |
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| Mikado |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Just so people don't misconstrue your statements as being less than impartial, Leviticus is used by religions outside of Judaism as well ;) |
such as? |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mikado
such as? |
The Old Testament is heeded by catholicism/Christianity/whatever as well. |
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| occrider |
There could be a field day with all sorts of religions!
SURA IV: 19-21
19. But whoso rebels against God and His Apostle, and transgresses His bounds, He will make him enter into fire, and dwell therein for aye; and for him is shameful woe.
20. Against those of your women who commit adultery, call witnesses four in number from among yourselves; and if these bear witness, then keep the women in houses until death release them, or God shall make for them a way.
21. And if two (men) of you commit it, then hurt them both; but if they turn again and amend, leave them alone, verily, God is easily turned, compassionate.
SURA VII: 78-84 [On Lot at Sodom]
78. Then the earthquake took them, and in the morning they lay prone in their dwellings;
79. and he turned away from them and said, 'O my people! I did preach to you the message of my Lord, and I gave you good advice; but ye love not sincere advisers.'
80. And Lot, when he said to his people, 'Do ye approach an abomination which no one in all the world ever anticipated you in?
81. verily, ye approach men with lust rather than women- nay, ye are a people who exceed.'
82.But his people's answer only was to say, 'Turn them out of your village, verily, they are a people who pretend to purity.'
83. But we saved him and his people, except his wife, who was of those who lingered;
84. and we rained down upon them a rain;- see then how was the end of the sinners!
SURA XI: 77-84 [On Lot at Sodom]
77. And when our messengers came to Lot, he was grieved for them; but his arm was straitened for them, and he said, 'This is a troublesome day!'
78. And his people came to him, rushing at him, for before that they used to work evil. He 'Said, 'O my people! here are my daughters, they are purer for you; then, fear God, and do not disgrace me through my guests;- is there not among you one right-thinking man?'
79. They said, 'Thou knowest that we have no claim on thy daughters; verily, thou knowest what we want!'
80. He said, 'Had I but power over you; or could I but resort to some strong column....!'
81. (The angels) said, 'O Lot! verily, we are the messengers of thy Lord, they shall certainly not reach thee; then travel with thy people in the darkness of the night, and let none of you look round except thy wife: verily, there shall befall her what befalls them. Verily, their appointment is for the morning! and is not the morning nigh?'
82. And when our bidding came, we made their high parts their low parts. And we rained down upon them stones and baked clay one after another,
83. marked, from thy Lord, and these are not so far from the unjust!
84. And unto Midian (we sent) their brother Sho'haib. He said, 'O my people! serve God; ye have no god but Him, and give not short measure and weight. Verily, 'I see you well off; but, verily, I fear for you the torments of an encompassing day.
SURA XXVI: 160-174 [On Lot and Sodom]
160. The people of Lot called the apostles liars;
161 when their brother Lot said to them, 'Do ye not fear?
162. verily, I am to you a faithful apostle;
163. then fear God and obey me.
164 I do not ask you for it any hire; my hire is only with the Lord of the worlds.
165 Do ye approach males of all the world
166 and leave what God your Lord has created for you of your wives? nay, but ye are people who transgress!'
167 They said, 'Surely, if thou dost not desist, O Lot! thou shalt be of those who are expelled!'
168 Said he, 'Verily, I am of those who hate your deed;
169 my Lord! save me and my people from what they do.'
170 And we saved him and his people all together,
171 except an old woman amongst those who lingered.
172 Then we destroyed the others;
173 and we rained down upon them a rain; and evil was the rain of those who were warned.
174 Verily, in that is a sign; but most of them will never be believers.
175 And, verily, thy Lord He is mighty, merciful, compassionate.
SURA XXIX: 28-35 [On Lot and Sodom]
28. And (remmber) Lot when he said to his people, 'Verily, ye approach an abomination which no one in all the world ever anticipated you in!
29. What! do ye approach men? (or Do you commit sexual acts with men?) and stop folks on the highway? And approach in your assembly sin?' but the answer of his people was only to say, 'Bring us God's torment, if thou art of those who speak the truth!'
30. Said he, 'My Lord! help me against a people who do evil!'
31. And when our messengers came to Abraham with the glad tidings, they said, 'We are about to destroy the people of this city. Verily, the people thereof are wrong-doers.'
32. Said he, 'Verily, in it is Lot; they said, 'We know best who is therein; we shall of a surety save him and his people, except his wife, who is of those who linger.'
33. And when our messengers came to Lot, he was vexed for them, and his arm was straitened for them; and they said, 'Fear not, neither grieve; we are about to save thee and thy people, except thy wife, who is of those who linger.
34. Verily, we are about to send down upon the people of this city a horror from heaven, for that they have sinned;
35. and we have left therefrom a manifest sign unto a people who have sense.' |
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| DaveSaenz |
It passed (in the House):
| quote: | LAW OF THE LAND
'Bible as hate speech' bill passes
Sponsor: 'It's been a good week for equality in Canada'
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Posted: September 18, 2003
9:00 a.m. Eastern
By Art Moore
© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com
Canada's House of Commons passed a controversial bill yesterday opposed by religious believers and free-speech advocates who say it will criminalize public expression against homosexual behavior.
The bill, passed 141-110, adds sexual orientation as a protected category in Canada's genocide and hate-crimes legislation, which carries a penalty of up to five years in prison.
Svend Robinson
"It's been a good week for equality in Canada," said the bill's sponsor, Svend Robinson, an openly homosexual member of Parliament.
The vote came just a day after MPs narrowly defeated a nonbinding motion reaffirming marriage is between a man and woman only.
As WorldNetDaily reported, opponents fear if Robinson's bill becomes law, the Bible will be deemed "hate literature" under the criminal code in certain instances, as evidenced by the case of a Saskatchewan man fined by a provincial human-rights tribunal for taking out a newspaper ad with Scripture references to verses about homosexuality.
"I was not surprised it passed, because we have a morally bankrupt government which cannot see past its bizarre liberal ideology," Brian Rushfeldt, executive director of the Canada Family Action Coalition, told WorldNetDaily.
The bill now goes to the Senate, which usually rubber stamps the House's legislation. Rushfeldt said he hopes the Senate will at least debate the issue and bring up "inherent dangers" in the bill not discussed in the House, but thinks that is not likely.
The legislation then is signed into law by the governor general, who represents the queen.
Robinson insisted an amendment protects religious expression, but opponents note recent court cases in which judges have favored homosexual rights when they clash with the rights of religious believers.
Some members of Parliament called it a "dangerous" law that muzzles free speech, including Liberal Party member John McKay, who dubbed it a "chill bill."
"Anybody who has views on homosexuality that differ from Svend Robinson's will be exposed rather dramatically to the joys of the Criminal Code," he said, according to the Edmonton Sun.
Rushfeldt contends one of the law's dangers is the term "sexual orientation" is not defined. He noted the American Psychiatric Association lists 24 behaviors under "sexual orientation." They include polygamy, bestiality and pedophilia.
"So if in fact the term does include pedophilia, the law protects it [from 'hate speech']," he said.
Robinson said fears that freedom of speech and religion will suffer are "a mask for homophobia for people who don't want to be honest about the real reason why they don't want to include sexual orientation in the law," according to the Toronto Globe and Mail.
He said he regularly receives hateful e-mails, the Toronto paper said, and his Burnaby, B.C., office was trashed in 1988 when he became Canada's first openly homosexual member of Parliament. |
I'm not religious at all, but this is a blow to free speech. :whip:
I believe like Occrider that hateful speech and literature (which includes the bible to some degree) should not be outlawed as long as it doesn't specifically threaten anyone.
p.s. I'm guessing that WorldNet is a right-wing paper?
| quote: | Originally posted by MrSquirrel
Sometimes sensitivity gets a little out of control.
And Canada was doing so well there for a while.
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MrS |
Yeah they were on roll it seemed. |
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