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| Galapidate |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
No but maybe they learned a lesson. I don't really know but anyway Germans nowadays are pretty peaceful. There is also a big different between 1940's German and todays US. They where desperate and their economy where terrible and the biggest problem was Hitler, not the Germans. Maybe you can blame US politicians for the gun murders in US but not as much as you can blame Hitler for the killing of jews.
I was trying to say that in most European countries the government takes care of people who can't make it by their own. Of course this can't be 100% successful but i think it will prevent some of it. |
In the first point, America has had a bloody past. Our earlier generations practically wiped out an entire race (Native Americans), enslaved Africans, etc.
Second, or rather third since it was your third point hehe, I definitely agree with that. The U.S. government, especially during these times, does very little to help the unemployed, homeless and poor. There have been numerous studies that show how poverty leads to crime, and I'm expecting that crime will continue going up until the economy gets better. |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Galapidate
In the first point, America has had a bloody past. Our earlier generations practically wiped out an entire race (Native Americans), enslaved Africans, etc. |
That is true but it can have something to do with that "earlier generations" thing =) It can also have something to do with that you actually won over them. And it can defiantly have something to do with you fighting against the Indians pretty much without any leader forcing you to fight them. Germans where under the tyranny of Hitler and afterwords thought the violence where just terrible meanwhile the Americans fought for their "freedom" and therefore didn't think of violence in the same negative way.
Or maybe it's just everything of this plus another 2000 reasons =) |
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| Galapidate |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
That is true but it can have something to do with that "earlier generations" thing =) It can also have something to do with that you actually won over them. And it can defiantly have something to do with you fighting against the Indians pretty much without any leader forcing you to fight them. Germans where under the tyranny of Hitler and afterwords thought the violence where just terrible meanwhile the Americans fought for their "freedom" and therefore didn't think of violence in the same negative way.
Or maybe it's just everything of this plus another 2000 reasons =) |
What does fighting for freedom have to do with stealing Native American land and killing the Native Americans in attempt to make the entire race become extinct? Looks a lot like some of the things Hitler did, but in a shorter period of time... |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Galapidate
What does fighting for freedom have to do with stealing Native American land and killing the Native Americans in attempt to make the entire race become extinct? Looks a lot like some of the things Hitler did, but in a shorter period of time... |
for them (US) the violence brought much more good things and i think that's a big difference. Germans really learned a lesson while Americans learned the wrong lesson (violence benefit). |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| I must agree with those who said that the culture is the problem for such a hightened gun crime rate. Or to be more specific, the culture which worships one's individuality and individual success. On the other hand, it is also a culture which doesn't allow a person to stumble or fail. It's a sort of social darwinism at work, a system where if a person fails, no institution is going to help. For example, if a person becomes unemployed, and before finding another job gets seriously ill, he/she is doomed to oblivion (I'm feeling poetic today). Anyway, since it is obvious that in such a culture a person's well being is solely dependant on that one person only, that encourages a sort of "every man for himself" mentality. That mentality in turn encourages people to take justice in their own hands. And once that step is made, the rate of violent gun crimes is certain to go up. |
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