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| quote: | Originally posted by LiquidX
I see it more like this way.
Well, first of all, you gotta blame some of it to those government representatives ( uhum bushes and republicans:toothless ) have faught their teeth in making gun sell easily in the market, something that the opossed party ( democrats ) have tried to tighten that. Eitherway, the US is a country with an avarage of 300,000 million peeps. Its the richests country in the world, with one of the best styles of living, so that means that theres alot of wasted white kidds. Believe me- and this is for what Ive seen.. personal testimony.
I have a friend who lives in this very exclusive city, bunch of rich people ( Boca Raton - For those familiar with Florida ).. well, about everybody there goes to private schools, and everything is much expensier, for the obvious reason that its a rich community. Every single kidd in there was on drugs, into illegal stuff, and a great amount of those kids had guns.. just for fun, they would go to a deserted warehouse and play with them.. not harming or anything, but doing stupid crazy stuff.. sadly enough, a great amount of those rich kidds were involved into some kind of gang groupies.. doing all sorts of bad stuff. So this leads me to believe that the problem with the US is that its easy, and accesible to obtain guns, especially those wasted trashed rich kidds.. although in the case of California, ethnicity does play some role, because of the gangs. But overall, some of the worst shootings and terrorists attacks in the US ( Columbine and Oklahoma ) were all in heavily white sectors, byt white people. |
im on your wavelength.
saying easy access to guns is not related to gun murders is outrageous.
im sure a lot of these are commited by unregistered guns.......... |
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| JM |
shooting guns is fun!....
actually, really it's only OK. (i meant shooting at targets at gun shooting range):D
basically, a US citizen may get a gun very easily legally, and anybody can get one easily non-legally too. gun control would fail. ppl will still get guns, maybe not as easily, but maybe even more violently.
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| Orbax |
| quote: | Originally posted by LiquidX
I see it more like this way.
Well, first of all, you gotta blame some of it to those government representatives ( uhum bushes and republicans:toothless ) have faught their teeth in making gun sell easily in the market, something that the opossed party ( democrats ) have tried to tighten that. Eitherway, the US is a country with an avarage of 300,000 million peeps. Its the richests country in the world, with one of the best styles of living, so that means that theres alot of wasted white kidds. Believe me- and this is for what Ive seen.. personal testimony.
I have a friend who lives in this very exclusive city, bunch of rich people ( Boca Raton - For those familiar with Florida ).. well, about everybody there goes to private schools, and everything is much expensier, for the obvious reason that its a rich community. Every single kidd in there was on drugs, into illegal stuff, and a great amount of those kids had guns.. just for fun, they would go to a deserted warehouse and play with them.. not harming or anything, but doing stupid crazy stuff.. sadly enough, a great amount of those rich kidds were involved into some kind of gang groupies.. doing all sorts of bad stuff. So this leads me to believe that the problem with the US is that its easy, and accesible to obtain guns, especially those wasted trashed rich kidds.. although in the case of California, ethnicity does play some role, because of the gangs. But overall, some of the worst shootings and terrorists attacks in the US ( Columbine and Oklahoma ) were all in heavily white sectors, byt white people. |
hehe...yeah...or they were just the most publicized because someone was like a WHITE person did that?! WTF!!!
White people are usually serial killers and very rarely do anyone but minorities commit mass murders. You can look this up, I believe the FBI page has some info on it as well. We discussed this a lot in my criminology courses (pre-law) and most of the court cases we look at tend to follow this trend as well...
Also from most of the murder/shootings i have studied most stem from drug deals, and surrounds. White people tend to traffic in cocaine powder and weed, where as crack cocaine, and pretty much everything else is brought in by non-white foreigners. Yakima A little bit south of where I live (like couple hundred miles) is one of, if not THE, largest heroin or cocaine entrances into the US, it also has about a million meth labs. I have a mexican by ancestry uncle down there and most people there are also mexican because of the large orchard industry.
I also hate sayings its a "white" or "mexican" problem, i was just kind of using your language.
Its a cultural thing. Ghetto culture establishes mob rule and violence, while upper class society looks down on that. My area the average income is 120, 000 a year. Lots of blacks, mexicans, orientals, etc... Every ethnicity is well represented, and most are cool as . We ARE human, so you get some s. But violence here is nothing. Rich people dont want to do that . too much to lose.
The foreign countries #1 dont give a about the US and its population, and ... im just thinking of alimentary canal smuggles. The cartels take a family hostage and tell the person to fly to US with balloons of drugs shoved up their ass. THey OD on anti-bowel movement meds and then swall and push until they are tight as a ing drum... one little woman like 4 foot 10 had something like 80 ballons in her body. Sometimes the cartels get iun a hurry though...lots of little airstrips in Miami, FL are found with eviscerated people.
the culture is too blame, not the race/ethnicity. |
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| Izzy |
ATLANTA (Reuters) - A report published by the Centers for Disease Control on Thursday found no conclusive evidence that gun control laws help to prevent violent crime, suicides and accidental injuries in the United States.
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But a national task force of health-care and community experts found "insufficient evidence" that bans on specific guns, waiting periods for gun buyers and other such laws changed the incidence of murder, rape, suicide and other types of violence.
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...ealth_guns_dc_2 |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Izzy
ATLANTA (Reuters) - A report published by the Centers for Disease Control on Thursday found no conclusive evidence that gun control laws help to prevent violent crime, suicides and accidental injuries in the United States. |
What laws for prevention?! :S
bowling for columbine is a great movie, it has some good points but i can't agree with michel in his conclusions.
of course weopond laws is the mayor problem. i don't know about the rest of the world but here in sweden it is really hard to even get a gun (or rifle for hunting)! and if you want heavier things you have to a military! this has to make a big inpact of the murder rate.
I agree with you Yoepus, it is very much about cultural problems. US citizens tend to use violence to solve all their problems (just look at their foreigens policys). But this is just to basic to have an easy solution for.
The third problem really is the political system of US, you don't give a about thoose sick guys like those who did the columbine shooting. |
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| Galapidate |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
What laws for prevention?! :S
bowling for columbine is a great movie, it has some good points but i can't agree with michel in his conclusions.
of course weopond laws is the mayor problem. i don't know about the rest of the world but here in sweden it is really hard to even get a gun (or rifle for hunting)! and if you want heavier things you have to a military! this has to make a big inpact of the murder rate.
I agree with you Yoepus, it is very much about cultural problems. US citizens tend to use violence to solve all their problems (just look at their foreigens policys). But this is just to basic to have an easy solution for.
The third problem really is the political system of US, you don't give a about thoose sick guys like those who did the columbine shooting. |
I agree that we live use violence to solve our problems as Americans, but as Michael Moore said as an example, Germany had a somewhat violent society during the Nazi era, and nowadays they aren't killing each other as much as Americans are.
As for your third "problem", I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say. |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Galapidate
I agree that we live use violence to solve our problems as Americans, but as Michael Moore said as an example, Germany had a somewhat violent society during the Nazi era, and nowadays they aren't killing each other as much as Americans are. |
No but maybe they learned a lesson. I don't really know but anyway Germans nowadays are pretty peaceful. There is also a big different between 1940's German and todays US. They where desperate and their economy where terrible and the biggest problem was Hitler, not the Germans. Maybe you can blame US politicians for the gun murders in US but not as much as you can blame Hitler for the killing of jews.
| quote: | | As for your third "problem", I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say. |
I was trying to say that in most European countries the government takes care of people who can't make it by their own. Of course this can't be 100% successful but i think it will prevent some of it. |
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| Galapidate |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
No but maybe they learned a lesson. I don't really know but anyway Germans nowadays are pretty peaceful. There is also a big different between 1940's German and todays US. They where desperate and their economy where terrible and the biggest problem was Hitler, not the Germans. Maybe you can blame US politicians for the gun murders in US but not as much as you can blame Hitler for the killing of jews.
I was trying to say that in most European countries the government takes care of people who can't make it by their own. Of course this can't be 100% successful but i think it will prevent some of it. |
In the first point, America has had a bloody past. Our earlier generations practically wiped out an entire race (Native Americans), enslaved Africans, etc.
Second, or rather third since it was your third point hehe, I definitely agree with that. The U.S. government, especially during these times, does very little to help the unemployed, homeless and poor. There have been numerous studies that show how poverty leads to crime, and I'm expecting that crime will continue going up until the economy gets better. |
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