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Oh no thats right Saddam Hussein DOESNT have any weapons like that...

Iraqis May Use Chemical Weapons in Combat
By MATT KELLEY
Associated Press Writer


WASHINGTON (AP)--Intelligence reports indicate a high risk that Iraq would use chemical weapons during a U.S.-led war to topple Saddam Hussein, Pentagon officials said Tuesday.

Those reports indicate Saddam has given field-level commanders the authority to use chemical weapons on their own initiative, without any further directives from the Iraqi leadership, Pentagon officials said.

``We continue to receive reports supporting the assertion that there is a high risk the Iraqi regime would use chemical weapons at some point during any conflict,'' Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said Tuesday. It was the first explicit statement from the Defense Department discussing the chemical weapons risk.

President Bush and other U.S. officials say Iraq has stocks of chemical weapons, including the deadly nerve agents sarin, cyclosarin and VX and a mustard agent like that first used in World War I. Saddam has repeatedly denied having chemical or biological weapons, though Iraq has acknowledged developing both before the 1991 Persian Gulf War.

U.S. officials say they believe Iraq's chemical weapons are under the control of the Republican Guard, Saddam's best trained and most loyal troops. A large part of those forces are concentrated in and around Baghdad, where U.S. officials are concerned that fighting involving chemical weapons could kill many Iraqi civilians.

Most of Iraq's chemical arsenal, officials say, is loaded onto artillery and rockets that have a range of about a dozen miles or less.

Pentagon officials who discussed the chemical weapons issue on condition of anonymity said it was unclear what rank of Iraqi officers had been given the authority to order chemical weapons use.

Coalition troops awaiting invasion orders have chemical protection gear and equipment that can detect clouds of chemical agents up to three miles away. American tanks and armored vehicles have filters designed to keep the troops inside safe from the deadly agents. Anticipating the possibility of chemical combat, U.S. troops have trained extensively on operating in a contaminated environment.


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I don't think there's any doubt that Iraq still possesses some reminants of its biological/chemical weapons programs from the late 80's (guess who funded them?) but my argument was always that firstly the US are overplaying the quantity and quality of these weapons and the threat that they pose.

Iraq would never be stupid enough to use these weapons against another nation just for the sake of it (even though they don't have the means to now that they've destroyed half the Al Samoud's - which would struggle to make it past the Iraqi borders if launched from Baghdad anyway) and, as I have said time and time again, the threat is nowhere near significant enough to justify the high-level of civilian casualties that will doubtless ensue (especially if Saddam Hussein does use what biological weapons he has - ironically, this war could provoke the kind of scenarios - namely the deployment of cheical/biological weapons - that it was trying to prevent).

This isn't some sort of movie about good vs evil, or us vs the terrorists. This is warfare, and people will die. It is not the kind of undertaking we should be entering into on the "hunch" that Saddam may have a 15 year old vial of Anthrax hidden somewhere. I severely doubt that you would sacrifice friends of members of your family on the off-chance that Iraq has WMD's and it's unfair of you to expect that innocent Iraqi's should make this sacrifice just to appease your vague concerns.

Human life is more precious than that.

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If ridding the world of Weapons of Mass Destruction were the government's primary concern, then don't you think they would focus on more dangerous regimes that pose a more imminent threat--like North Korea , Iran, or Pakistan for example? N. Korea, of course, is not the international punching-bag that Iraq is, so we actually have to think twice about starting shit with them.

Saddam, as nutty as he is, hasn't threatened any neighbors in over a decade--this is obviously a cover to distract everyone from the fact that the amorphous "war on terror" had accomplished nothing, that Osama is still on the loose, and that the USA is being run into the shitter.

WMD, despite the rote drilling into our heads of Iraq's imminent danger, are but an ancillary concern.

Apologize to Bush?? He should apologize to ME for stealing the election and running a country I care deeply about into the gutter with his simplistic vision of the world, his tax cuts and social service reductions that my grandchildren are going to be paying for, and for his maniacal belligerence.

Go listen to Rush and watch some more Fox news smart guy.

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Originally posted by Renegade I don't think there's any doubt that Iraq still possesses some reminants of its biological/chemical weapons programs from the late 80's (guess who funded them?) but my argument was always that firstly the US are overplaying the quantity and quality of these weapons and the threat that they pose. Iraq would never be stupid enough to use these weapons against another nation just for the sake of it (even though they don't have the means to now that they've destroyed half the Al Samoud's - which would struggle to make it past the Iraqi borders if launched from Baghdad anyway) and, as I have said time and time again, the threat is nowhere near significant enough to justify the high-level of civilian casualties that will doubtless ensue (especially if Saddam Hussein does use what biological weapons he has - ironically, this war could provoke the kind of scenarios - namely the deployment of cheical/biological weapons - that it was trying to prevent). This isn't some sort of movie about good vs evil, or us vs the terrorists. This is warfare, and people will die. It is not the kind of undertaking we should be entering into on the "hunch" that Saddam may have a 15 year old vial of Anthrax hidden somewhere. I severely doubt that you would sacrifice friends of members of your family on the off-chance that Iraq has WMD's and it's unfair of you to expect that innocent Iraqi's should make this sacrifice just to appease your vague concerns. Human life is more precious than that.

riiighttt keep talking shit....your statements are now a joke...you ALL swore up and down that Hussein had ZERO WMD...but when he uses them it will show even more how your full of shit....u guys know nada, zilch, zero, watch what happens...then i cant wait for u people to say he was forced to use them and some how turn it around on Bush that Hussein used WMD....u people always have a way of defending tyrannts liek Hussein..


and if u NOW think he has WMD why are u against the war?...wtf lol...what a joke....i laugh at you people ....every day i read in here how Hussein has no WMD...now when he is about to use them u are all going to talk shit that of course he has soem left over...hahahhahah but i thought u guys all said he destroyed them?>?..make up your mind.....

So when Iraq uses them u all owe Bush and apology...simple as that

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Originally posted by Konijn Island Apologize to Bush?? He should apologize to ME for stealing the election and running a country I care deeply about into the gutter with his simplistic vision of the world, his tax cuts and social service reductions that my grandchildren are going to be paying for, and for his maniacal belligerence. Go listen to Rush and watch some more Fox news smart guy.

LOL...hahahhahhahahha....liberal prick....

So much for a senisble conversation then.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 LOL...hahahhahhahahha....liberal prick....

I'm awed by your ability to contribute so much with so few words...

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Originally posted by Konijn Island Saddam, as nutty as he is, hasn't threatened any neighbors in over a decade--this is obviously a cover to distract everyone from the fact that the amorphous "war on terror" had accomplished nothing, that Osama is still on the loose, and that the USA is being run into the shitter. WMD, despite the rote drilling into our heads of Iraq's imminent danger, are but an ancillary concern.

I never realized there was a statute of limitations on what constitutes a threat.

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Originally posted by Konijn Island If ridding the world of Weapons of Mass Destruction were the government's primary concern, then don't you think they would focus on more dangerous regimes that pose a more imminent threat--like North Korea , Iran, or Pakistan for example? N. Korea, of course, is not the international punching-bag that Iraq is, so we actually have to think twice about starting shit with them.

N. Korea, Iran, and Pakistan aren't prohibited by sanctions from possessing WMDs. Just like India, Israel, France, Britain, etc.