good to see you seek for more info and views towards the conflict..

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/co...,653594,00.html

And if you knew who benny morris is, you'd be even more convinced

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I must say that I was somewhat pro-palestinian before, but as time goes by, I am becoming more and more pro-israeli, and it's not just because of this article.

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Like the uplifting trance--> progressive house metamorphosis, you just get fed up with cheesy arguments

ON a serious note: The more you know, the more u think...the liklier you're gonna see that its NOT as black n white as many suggest. I prefer some1 who acknowledges the complexity of the issue to some1 who pretends to know it all and immediately jumps on one side.

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JohnSmith, your article was excellently written out, seemed kinda like a research paper. it took me a while to read but it was really put forth in depth, really put forth a lot of info and things to learn (knowledge = power, no?). some of the arguements i've used here before (like the fact the PLO was founded before the 6-day war, before there was any 'occupation' and therefore nothing really to liberate) but others were new (the point on UN Resolution 194). TranceGiant, i also liked your article a lot. the recurring theme in both was people who have 'changed' their opinion from one side of the spectrum to the other. i can say honestly that it was the same for me as it was for Benny Morris, i also was a strong peace advocate throughout my highschool years but after camp david i changed my prespective. it was a gradualy change but it caused me to research the topic more and more and not take things for granted, until i've come to the point where i stand now, i am confident about my view now. i am still striving for peace but by seeing the issue for what it really is, the motivating factors and what both sides stand for i have come to relalize that certian methods of approaching a solution wont work.
anyway thanks for the material. what did you get out of the articles JohnSmith?

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knowledge.

I haven't gotten around to reading the guardian one yet, i will though.

like you say, knowledge is power. the most startling thing i learned was about the dhimmi people, and how long that's been going on.

the issue is very much not black and white. I was a peace advocate since afghanistan, but always feigned ignorance on the israel palestine situation.. I am beginning to learn it now.

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Nice to see open-minded people here, no matter which side of they bridge they jump from and on which one they land ... I believe our highschool educative system (Or maybe it's just my own teacher which I have a lot of respect for) does a wonderful job ... Some of the statements on the article were indeed tought to my class.

Long and impressive article Johnsmith, I've read points 1 and 2 so far and am continuing ATM...

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This obviously didn't get enough attention. An excellently written article (I also recommend reading other articles on the site, very impressive) which I believe it's length terrified a lot of readers.

Come on you guyz, it's worth it

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