While the bill currently before the legislators of Congress literally spells out R.A.V.E. (Reducing Americas Vulnerability to Ecstacy), many charge that the act could affect the activities of nightclubs as well as large scale underground parties.
The R.A.V.E. Act, Senate Bill 2633, would make it illegal for anyone to knowingly permit or promote the usage of drugs or illegal controlled substances, or profit from such activity on their property. But what constitutes “knowing”? The bill’s stated purpose is to “prohibit any individual from knowingly opening, maintaining, controlling, renting, leasing, making available for use, or profiting from any place for the purpose of manufacturing, distributing, or using any controlled substance, and for other purposes.”
So while it’s supposed to be targeted at raves, it’s wording implies nightclubs as well, and any one associated with a party, whether aware of drug use or not., can be held responsible. The bill says that you don’t even have to directly profit from the sale of drugs in your establishment, or venue you work for, to be held accountable. If you are a nightclub owner or promoter, and the government suspects that you’re aware that people are selling or using drugs at your venue, they could hold you in violation.
According to the bill, “person(s) found in violation of the act will be subject to a civil penalty of not more than the greater of either $250,000, or two times the gross receipts, either known or estimated, that were derived from each violation that is attributable to the person.
The bill labels drugs like ecstacy, special K, Rohypnol and GHB as “club drugs” and associates the sale of “over priced” water bottles, pacifiers, glow sticks, nasal sprays and massage oils with drug use. And it also lists having a “chillout room” as being indicative of drug use at your party or venue. So, if you are, for example, charging four dollars for Poland Spring, selling glow sticks or providing an area in your club to sit and talk, you might fall under suspicion.
According to Susan Mainzer, CEO of Green Galactic, a production media company, the bill could conceivably be used against club owners just trying to run a business and hold them responsible for the actions of their patrons. “If their customers are caught with any drugs, the owner or promoter could be fined up to half a million dollars” she said. “The wording of the bill is so vague that basically anybody can be arrested for anything.”

The above was taken from Club Systems magazine.

That is a whole lot of BS!! There's been talk of lawmakers passing something about Raves, trying to stop them, for quite a long time now. But I knew that crap like this was going to happen now that the government is being run by an ultra-conservative Republican monopoly. They should definetly make the wording more specific, and make it actually seem legitimate instead of it seeming like it's out to get anyone in the clubbing/party business! Mainzer was right when she said that basically anyone could be arrested charged for anything. They should be targeting drug dealers and not club owners/promoters, etc., since that's where the root of the problem lies. Any club owner in his right mind wouldn't sell drugs or promote the use of them in his club, because that's just a lawsuit waiting to happen. And honestly, glowsticks and water bottles have some connection with drugs now? This is seriously pure crap and I hope it isn't passed, though I don't doubt that it will be, or something like it will be, sometime soon

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Yeah...since they've been trying to get this passed, most of the major clubs (Motion) here have shut down and there have been few underground parties, and those that have stayed open are either 18 or 21+..

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Originally posted by Masonious you win again dude - and nice move shoving the whole i figured out how to order pizza thing in my face. i tried that 4 and a half months ago and woke up with a Taiwanese transvestite but to Ygrene it's just, "anoother day in the life, noooo biggieee".

The goverment loves to spoil fun, u cant put tax on fun

wouldn't putting a sign saying no e allowed make you in accordiance w/ the law. it seems like there are loopholes that could be exploited there.

Republicans make me soooooo ANGRY !

PS just move to canada

Its kinda of amusing that the US gouvernment wants to fine clubs for having chillout areas, and the UK gouvernment is forcing clubs to make chillout areas.

Also they complain that clubs charge to much for water. Already by law, public establishments have to give you free water if you ask for it. If you want bottled water, pay what they are charging, if not. Then get a plastic cup of tap water.

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well it probably will be passed, unfortunately, Republicans own the congress...and Bush will sign.

>JM<

Remember kids! In todays draconain US society:

Water = Illegial

Cool down rooms = Illegial

Glowsticks = Illegial

Having fun = Illegial

whatever. Im not worried; things will just go underground again. Ive never seen the glamor in paying 20+ bucks to go to the same club every week, being raped by bouncers and door charges, having to put up with drunk/high assholes, and $10 red bulls. Hopefully we can just bring back the big outdoor festivals and warehouse parties and whatnot, that sounds a lot more fun to me (I havent been to many large parties, just a few smaller ones). What good would the rave act have then? There are no club owners or promoters to charge. Lose a venue? Just go to another field/warehouse/whatnot, and party away. And then, only the true music lovers will even put forth the effort to show, not folks just looking to get out/get smashed. Each party will a lot more special, imo.

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The more attention this R.A.V.E. act receives, the more attention is drawn into the music. Kids and young adults love to do nothing more than rebel against society. Honestly, this is only going to help, not hurt. Even if this goes back "underground" as some people may claim, the masses will flock because of it's supposed risks and anti-societal ideals. Honestly though, I truly believe that cooler heads will prevail, and common sense will eventually overrule anything that comes out of this. Even if this does turn into law, the ACLU (which I tend to despise at times) and other oppenents have an incredibly strong case, which is primarily backed by basic logic and common sense. I'm honestly not too worried about this hoopla. Most of the commotion is coming from the media and their incredible wacky twist on things. Take the media with a grain of salt, and you'll see that this won't go too far, even in the worst case scenario if it is passed. Lawsuits would pile up quickly.

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Originally posted by nrjizer Remember kids! In todays draconain US society: Water = Illegial Cool down rooms = Illegial Glowsticks = Illegial Having fun = Illegial

I know - makes no sense.... especially in a "land of freedom"

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Originally posted by decode The goverment loves to spoil fun, u cant put tax on fun

alcohol is taxed
yeah and this is really strange the American Government getting tough on a drug in which the user is stereotypically white
madness