To those of you who think SOPA will actually stop online piracy:

PROTECT IP / SOPA Breaks The Internet from Fight for the Future on Vimeo.

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You mean my soundcloud, He i've got permission from the owner, and if i haven't i'll kindy remove it, see? no harm done? was that so hard?

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Originally posted by Raphie So what is the "against" deal with SOPA, I'm trying to learn here, but i only read debates about people that confuse freedom with piracy?

Well reading about the bill would be a good start, since the rest of your post makes it pretty clear you know very little about any of this.

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Originally posted by Raphie - Social Networks > It's fine to share and embed publishers virals from YouTube, movietrailers from iTunes etc etc, that's not going away.

Except now, if someone posts any sort of copyrighted material on their own Facebook page, Facebook itself would be held liable for that user's actions, regardless of whether or not Facebook already has rules against copyright infringement.

It doesn't matter if you're for or against posting copyrighted work on social networks, it's simply an abuse of misdirected power to hold the networks liable for its user's actions.

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Originally posted by Raphie - It's also not fine to illegally copy warez, MEGAupload down? GREAT! SOPA makes it possible to take the rest down as well.

Megaupload has a history of promptly deleting any files which violate a copyright -- they comply with DMCA's. Piracy is against their rules. They provide a necessary service (file sharing) but the current model means it's easy to abuse it for illegal means. It's the same for any other hosting site.

They actually arrested Megaupload's creators, because of the actions of others. They've been against copyright infringement from the beginning and have constantly taken measures to discourage it, yet they're being criminalized.

MU actually hosted a video on Youtube with RIAA artists in support of them, in response to being labeled a "rogue" site. Universal Media Group forced Youtube to take it down, without any legal reason or capacity to do so. They've said so themselves. MU held the copyright and UMG had it removed on grounds of "copyright infringement". You think this is a good thing?

MU sued UMG for an abuse of power, and now they're abusing their power to take the entire site down. Hooray for progressive legislation.

The rest of your points against piracy reek of outdated thinking and misinformation, I've seen how strongly you cling to that ignorance so I'm not going to even start arguing about piracy in general again. But read up on SOPA and you'll see it allows a blatant abuse of power to censor the internet and discourage free speech and creative freedom. I agree legislation to fight piracy isn't a bad thing, but this was drafted without any consultation of experts related to the field. Senators have no authority to try and police a medium they don't even understand.

Let's just say we agree to dissagree, websites never had any sense of urgency to implement potential traffic lowering measurements.
Now there is a huge stick, to give them a renewed sense of urgency and ownership.

regarding the 10.000 "free" views?!? it's up to the artist to decide to go viral, not some kind of lame scumbag who decides to use the artist track over his latest "how i fucked your mother" video

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Originally posted by Raphie You mean my soundcloud, He i've got permission from the owner, and if i haven't i'll kindy remove it, see? no harm done? was that so hard?

The owner doesnt. And considering how long they could keepl your site out of the DNS for a long period until they review your particular site, could be slightly annoying.

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Originally posted by Raphie So what is the "against" deal with SOPA, I'm trying to learn here, but i only read debates about people that confuse freedom with piracy? - Social Networks > It's fine to share and embed publishers virals from YouTube, movietrailers from iTunes etc etc, that's not going away. - It's not fine grab the latest David Guetta song and post a youtube of yourself being an arse. Make your own music or pay the fee, getting hits, piggyback riding on artist track and reputation - It's also not fine to illegally copy warez, MEGAupload down? GREAT! SOPA makes it possible to take the rest down as well. - It's not fine to have 14.321 songs on your iPod, which you've downloaded illegally. If your not willing to pay 14k$ to fill your ipod, then be more selective in what you buy, just like in real life. People think because it's digital life, "real" world (as if there is a difference ?!?) rules no longer count, and looting and stealing are "generally accepted" I'm all for SOPA. I think it's time to give rightful owners a stick. and reset the online values and status quo, as people clearly take the piss with piracy. Again if you are an artist you can do what you want, your shit only gets taken offline if you steal other peoples work (something you shouldn't do in the first place) last but not least SOPA only enforces if rightful owners complain. It's not some Big brother "this site as something we don't like, let's take it down" Act. There are already several other acts making that possible. So yes, go SOPA, or any of it's re-incarnations is not the problem, people seing freeleech as a birthright is the problem

What are you trying to prove?

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

That piracy is a horrible thing, everyone who partakes in it is a criminal, everyone who has their work pirated is directly losing massive sums of money, and any legislation that's even remotely related to doing something about it is a flawless godsend.

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Originally posted by Beatflux What are you trying to prove?

What do you think I'm proving?

We'll see what happens, for now i see more pro's then cons

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Originally posted by Raphie What do you think I'm proving?

You're general attitude towards art is: you have to do it the correct way or else it doesn't count.

"You have to make all of the sounds, or else the song you made really isn't your song."

"You have to make all of the content in the video, or else it really isn't all of your video."

What is the creative process?

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by Beatflux You're general attitude towards art is: you have to do it the correct way or else it doesn't count. "You have to make all of the sounds, or else the song you made really isn't your song." "You have to make all of the content in the video, or else it really isn't all of your video." What is the creative process?

That sums it up nicely, 2 things you forgot:
- you can use other people's songs, but credit and pay them
- you also need to pay for the tools your using if you really want it to count.

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Originally posted by Raphie We'll see what happens, for now i see more pro's then cons

The founders of Google, Wikipedia, Twitter, Facebook and countless other experts related to this believe it's a serious threat to creative freedom. You really feel comfortable calling all of them wrong, based on whatever it is you know about the bills?