|Originally posted by Lira |
Actually, my belief is a wee bit different.
I don't reckon science is stupid to say God doesn't exist because it can't prove Its existence (or lack thereof). It's Occam's Razor being used in a case it should indeed be applied:
So, if you can explain the world without resorting to a higher power, by all means, do it. Dodging highly imaginative why-questions and favouring pragmatic how-questions has been the backbone of scientific investigation since Adelard of Bath (who was himself religious) posited that it didn't matter if "God created rainbows to remind us of the day he flooded the Earth" and whatnot - what natural philosophers back then wanted to know was how these rainbows worked.
- Less is more: If you can explain with less, do it;
Naturally, science can only go so far (which is something I know you agree with).
However, I don't think religion is stupid either - specially if you take it to be a branch of politics. It provides believes both a sense of:
And it's pretty effective at that, being an ingenious solution to keep members of a given community organised and behaving well (sinners/criminals notwithstanding). My main quarrel with religion is that even if everything it says were "true", there's absolutely no reason why we should live according to it; much less be punished for abiding by any cosmical law. Hell, even if a religion comes up with an answer to the meaning of life that happens to be what a possible creator had in mind when he designed the universe, it can't be less arbitrary than any meaning we ascribe to our own lives.
- What they ought to do;
- Why they ought to do what they have to do;
- And who they are.
So, on the one hand, I don't consider it wrong not to overbelieve (that is, believe unless you have enough proof). On the other, I don't see anything wrong with having overbelieving (i.e. having faith) as long as you decide to assume all responsibility for your choices - the moment you share "blame" with a higher power (e.g. "I do it because God commandeth me so" or "You must believe it because the Lord thus spake",), then my inner existentialist gets all riled up. The rest of religion isn't exactly fruitful either, because I do believe there can be no morality formulated a priori... if you want to read the so-called sacred texts for inspiration, fine, but you should know better than taking them at word value.
yeah the thing i like about (at least christianity) is that it has free will written into it, which means that if any 'christian' tells you X, you can say: God gave us free will, FUCK OFF!!
I think anyone saying you must believe in x is simply wrong, the bible actually is fairly intricate, and is really just a tale of how humans are fucked up-- its extremely similar to the greek fables, intended merely to make people aware of how people before us have gone wrong... like you said, as a political system its not really that bad an idea (guidelines), but its just when people get involved, and start institutionalising and adding to it (hello catholics) shit goes wrong---
anyway: Doing whats best for you, without harming others is essentially good from both scientific and religious stand-points.
both systems are fundamentally flawed (in practice), but you can usually find some middle ground where they won't disagree too much: No need to be all extreme about it
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