Originally posted by Lira
I've always felt uncomfortable about the popularity of the pictures of someone who's clearly under-aged, even if they look "promising in the future", or whatever you call it (it's not hard to stumble upon these pictures either, as the internet is full of unwilling "stars"). Should there not be a law against this? It's not like the internet is running out of porn and big bosomed models...
Me, as well. I understand why other people find them alluring but it is something I find revolting.
Dec-03-2011 15:49
Lira
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Registered: Nov 2001
Location: Brasilia, Brazil Formerly known as: Maaz
There are big titty teens like that, Witty. I had a couple of busty schoolmates in middle school, so I assume they still exist, and even the ever so zany Japs had something similar a while ago (though in this case the apparently fame hungry parents were doing their best to make her daughter part of China's wank bank so she could be a famous actress in the future... or summat).
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Originally posted by WittyHandle
Please. I'm not buying that whole "They hacked my account" bit.
Why not? All it takes is one naïve girl with a boyfriend she wants to please and one Radagast to make this happen.
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Originally posted by WittyHandle
As a hot piece of tail, she just needs to buck up and deal with the jealousy from all the fugly slags that outnumber her 100 to 1 like any other gorgeous woman would.
It's not just a "Mingers vs Hottie" thing. Like Quazar said, it's an epic battle between "Hottie vs the whole freaking Internet" and she's exposed to creepy individuals of all sorts. Did you read the bit about Angie not being able to have a job because of incessant phone calls? It doesn't seem that teenage accidental stardom in these cases is a delightful experience to the teenagers themselves: Amanda Wenk, who was also an internet sensation until not long ago apparently had her boobs reduced () for the exact same reason.
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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Lira, there doesn't need to be a law, because any law that would be vague enough to stop people from doing it would be vague enough to easily abuse.
Why should it be vague?
Dec-03-2011 15:59
Meat187
Diese scheiß Katze
Registered: Dec 2007
Location: The Night's Plutonian Shore
Why is the hippie solution for everything a new law? It's not the government's job to protect attention whores from being stupid.
Dec-03-2011 16:20
EddieZilker
This is the dance.
Registered: Jan 2009
Location: Marijuana Sex Camp
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Originally posted by Meat187
Why is the hippie solution for everything a new law? It's not the government's job to protect attention whores from being stupid.
What do you want, then? There has always been youthful indiscretion. Teenagers are inherently stupid creatures. The internet, however, is relatively new. It adds a perpetual dimension to such indiscretion. Should the otherwise illegal consequences of mistakes made in adolescence be allowed to follow people, well into adulthood? Do revealing pictures made when she was a girl (and, let's face it, here - it's always a girl) mean she should be subject to stalking because a sociopath hacked her facebook account? Tough titties, bitch - you were an attention whore, ergo, we're not going to do anything about protecting you from the behavior of some fucking shitheads who have a fixation with you.
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Dec-03-2011 16:51
Meat187
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Registered: Dec 2007
Location: The Night's Plutonian Shore
Stop putting up straw men. Stalking is not what I was talking about and there are and should be laws against that.
Dec-03-2011 17:13
Halcyon+On+On
Liebchen
Registered: Sep 2004
Location: between her
The government should also protect those of us who write our names and numbers on the insides of public bathroom stalls. Creepy people are contacting me for reasons I did not intend!
Dec-03-2011 17:34
Joss Weatherby
young & cold
Registered: May 2008
Location: The Ruins of Rome | Cascadia
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Originally posted by Lira
Why should it be vague?
Explain how the law would be written then that would not stifle free-speech for minors (as in minors are still allowed to take photos of themselves in their underwear) and protects them from them having done that? You are getting into really creepy legislation territory there.
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Originally posted by Fledz
Is litigation the only thing Yanks know how to do?
Oh, apart from printing money that doesn't exist and attacking other countries.
Funny coming from an Aussie, a country where they already have laws on the books about porn that "looks underage" meaning that if a girl is short and flat chested she can't do porn because "she looks underage". Also you prosecute people over drawings of fictional people that are underage... So yea, I would not cast the first stone. Commonwealth nations are notoriously worse when it comes to these sort of things.
Dec-03-2011 17:48
EddieZilker
This is the dance.
Registered: Jan 2009
Location: Marijuana Sex Camp
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Originally posted by Meat187
Stop putting up straw men. Stalking is not what I was talking about and there are and should be laws against that.
I definitely read a pro-stalking agenda in your argument.
My point is that technology has advanced beyond the scope of previously written laws. You can't just say that the new problems arising as a result from the misuse of technology should not be addressed by legislative action. Stalking laws are also relatively new and a response to an increase in awareness about what constitutes stalking, in the first place. Why shouldn't problems created by people misusing technology also be made subject to legislation - even if it's to protect the person who is misusing the technology?
Dec-03-2011 17:48
Joss Weatherby
young & cold
Registered: May 2008
Location: The Ruins of Rome | Cascadia
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Originally posted by EddieZilker
What do you want, then? There has always been youthful indiscretion. Teenagers are inherently stupid creatures. The internet, however, is relatively new. It adds a perpetual dimension to such indiscretion. Should the otherwise illegal consequences of mistakes made in adolescence be allowed to follow people, well into adulthood? Do revealing pictures made when she was a girl (and, let's face it, here - it's always a girl) mean she should be subject to stalking because a sociopath hacked her facebook account? Tough titties, bitch - you were an attention whore, ergo, we're not going to do anything about protecting you from the behavior of some fucking shitheads who have a fixation with you.
Again, you fail to realize that any law that protects kids like this would ultimately target kids in the end?
If she is being stalked then there are already laws against that (she wasn't being stalked as far as I can tell from that article, just people knew who she was because there were pics of her on the internet) and people can be prosecuted. Are you saying that photos of people underage in bathing suits or underwear should be the same as pictures of child abuse? Remember that these kids usually end up taking the pictures themselves, out of their own volition. If they do that, would they be charged? It already happens when they take nude photos of themselves. A girl in Oklahoma I believe was charged with child-abuse and possession and distribution of child pornography after she sent nude photos of herself to a couple of older guys.
These are laws that are more akin to religiously intolerant and paranoid nations. The US's best thing going for it still is its almost incredibly anything goes free-speech laws. I don't see why people want to continue to hack away at even that.
Dec-03-2011 17:53
srussell0018
Chaostician
Registered: Dec 2006
Location: Blumsberg
ITT: Nou enjoys looking at pictures of 14 year old girls in their underwear.
Dec-03-2011 17:59
Joss Weatherby
young & cold
Registered: May 2008
Location: The Ruins of Rome | Cascadia
quote:
Originally posted by EddieZilker
I definitely read a pro-stalking agenda in your argument.
My point is that technology has advanced beyond the scope of previously written laws. You can't just say that the new problems arising as a result from the misuse of technology should not be addressed by legislative action. Stalking laws are also relatively new and a response to an increase in awareness about what constitutes stalking, in the first place. Why shouldn't problems created by people misusing technology also be made subject to legislation - even if it's to protect the person who is misusing the technology?
Who was misusing the technology? Was she? I don't think you are grasping the laws that are already in place.
First off, someone hacked her account. That is breaking the law right there, numerous laws, ranging from wiretapping to newer laws specifically regarding the improper use and access of someone else's computer or website.
Second there is copyright law, her photos were copyrighted due to natural copyright law. If they had wanted to they could go after and attempt to litigate against anyone who posted those pictures with out her consent.
Thirdly, if she was being stalked, there are already laws on the books for that.
Here is what matters and sadly this is changing: copyright law is CIVIL law. It is not criminal law, so the police can not go and start arresting people for violating it (again, this is probably going to change after SOPA passes, and it will be far worse of a situation, W-Ashley could literally have called the cops on us for putting him in those Rock chops he got all pissed about).
Dec-03-2011 18:00
Joss Weatherby
young & cold
Registered: May 2008
Location: The Ruins of Rome | Cascadia
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Originally posted by srussell0018
ITT: Nou enjoys looking at pictures of 14 year old girls in their underwear.
Ok mr I come from a country that used to send misguided underage girls to reform schools and beat them with sticks when they became pregnant before marriage. Catholic Ireland was as bad (and still is in a lot of ways) as strict Islamic states.