|Originally posted by srussell0018 |
I like it?
Also your argument supposed that anyone who was working in a group in a work environment wanted to be there. This is not true. There are tons of people who hate their jobs. You said that, conversely, there is no expectation that participants in a group task in college actually want to be there. My total fees every year of school were $40,000+. Do you honestly think that there are people going to colleges like that who don't want to be there? If you had experience to support your assumption that there are always stragglers in group work at colleges, that would be one thing, but you have none, so your argument falls flat.
Again you obviously failed to read my argument. They aren't long really... Are you that lazy?
|Originally posted by Joss Weatherby |
I know thats not often a choice in real life, but in real life, if you are working in a group it is usually amongst your intellectual peers, and it is a job, where failure is usually not an option (where it is often an option in school). If you have someone who is incompetent at work in your group you basically can have them moved off the project and reprimanded (unless they are your boss... ). There is just more motivation to be competent, and if you are not competent enough, the motivation is there to bring yourself up to speed ASAP.
Fear of reprimand and loss of your job is what makes people who do not want to be there do their work. If they don't do it then they should (and a lot of times usually are) fired.
There are plenty of people that go to an undergraduate education and do not want to be in class, especially if they are GE classes unrelated to their studies. If everyone wanted to do their best in college, then you'd probably see the number of alcohol related deaths drop.
You are making broad assumptions about entire groups, and putting a finite definition to their motivations. At least my argument takes into account, that yes, there are a lot of people that do want to put in the effort to do well, but there are also a lot that do not care. If you have only run into those people that 100% care about what they are doing then, wow you are lucky.
On the psychology note, you like psychology, interesting.
Do psychologist not have any merit when explaining things to patients because they have never experienced those things themselves? With your reasoning I could abstract that all psychologists should be raped, have a significant love one killed, be abused as a child, and suffer any and all of the things that they are trained to diagnose right? Because they haven't experienced it themselves they obviously have no idea what they are talking about? No amount of research, other experiences, or intuition, logical thought, or accounts of others could compensate for that lack of personal experience... At least thats what I deriving from your reasons why my arguments are invalid.