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Originally posted by Lilith Its ok to hate Jen, some of the most defining events in human history are fuelled by sheer hatred when all manner of logical reasoning has failed.

Haha truth. Logic only gets in the way anyway... probly first extended discussion ever where godwins law hasnt come into effect... i was close a few times, but managed to abstain...

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Originally posted by Lira These are the moments without the "happy ending", Lilith

Subjective moments are written by the people that won...

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Originally posted by Lilith Subjective moments are written by the people that won...

Historians probably didn't all get the memo, otherwise the twentieth century would have been the jolliest century ever! Even the lunatics amongst us know not everyone has been fine and dandy since WWI, and the rise of "sheer hatred" between the wars (and afterwards) has hardly ever ended in fun and games.

If anything, most of the problem was caused by too much enthusiasm regardless of its nature (whether it was fuelled by "love" or "hatred").

I don't remember the last time I was this bored. Fuck.

Can't focus on my homework or do anything fun.

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Originally posted by Lira Historians probably didn't all get the memo, otherwise the twentieth century would have been the jolliest century ever!

I'm not talking about 'happy', you're talking about happy.

Im talking about defining moments- where people actually had the motivation to just go out and do something, rather than sit around on their arse doing 20-20 hindsight on a moment they cannot truly begin to understand just by just reading about it.

We can in our subjective opinion define an action by being good, bad or inconsequential, but if you ever come to find yourself in the full force of your base emotions- hatred, fear, joy, sorrow and hope.
Rational thought processes have nothing to do with it and the intensity of that does have a tangible effect.

Winter has begun I say this because I had my first oatmeal of the season, with lovely raspberries in it. Yum.

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Originally posted by Lilith I'm not talking about 'happy', you're talking about happy. Im talking about defining moments- where people actually had the motivation to just go out and do something, rather than sit around on their arse doing 20-20 hindsight on a moment they cannot truly begin to understand just by just reading about it. We can in our subjective opinion define an action by being good, bad or inconsequential, but if you ever come to find yourself in the full force of your base emotions- hatred, fear, joy, sorrow and hope. Rational thought processes have nothing to do with it and the intensity of that does have a tangible effect.

Hello female modern Nietzsche, you are wise

Dissapointing you dont like nietzsche, Lira- guy was good as despite being incredibly misunderstood

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Originally posted by Lilith I'm not talking about 'happy', you're talking about happy.

Indeed I am

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Originally posted by Lilith Im talking about defining moments- where people actually had the motivation to just go out and do something, rather than sit around on their arse doing 20-20 hindsight on a moment they cannot truly begin to understand just by just reading about it. We can in our subjective opinion define an action by being good, bad or inconsequential, but if you ever come to find yourself in the full force of your base emotions- hatred, fear, joy, sorrow and hope.

I'm not sure I follow you. Could you give some concrete examples of what exactly you're talking about?

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Originally posted by Lilith Rational thought processes have nothing to do with it and the intensity of that does have a tangible effect.

Well, I'm not opposing rationality and emotion. I don't think you can do that.

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Originally posted by EgosXII Dissapointing you dont like nietzsche, Lira- guy was good as despite being incredibly misunderstood

I'm a bit short of time this week and we can revisit this discussion later, but I really can't stomach his style and, even when I can, I think his best ideas were better developed by Kierkegaard (regarding individualism, herd instinct, and this sort of thing) and/or James (perspectivalism, ideas about truth and morality, and so on).

Global warming is the SHIT!! By this time of year, in this state, we usually have had at least one dusting of snow. But lo and behold, its mother-fucking 65 degrees outside! (18 for you damned metric folks)

Greenhouse gases rock my socks

i love these bots lol

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Originally posted by Lira I'm a bit short of time this week and we can revisit this discussion later, but I really can't stomach his style and, even when I can, I think his best ideas were better developed by Kierkegaard (regarding individualism, herd instinct, and this sort of thing) and/or James (perspectivalism, ideas about truth and morality, and so on).

I think they really construct something though which is the problem with most so-called subjective philosophy: Nietzsche's the best just because he knows when to stop

Existentialists (what i call the everyman's Nietzsche ) were retarded cause they say we're entirely free, then they start imposing all these laws, making the whole thing no different than the Kantian idealism... Nietzsche's one of the only guys who stand for relativism/individuallism and don't write paradoxes into their own theses.. classic liberal bullshit: We're all free.... to do these reallly specific things and never stray from them no matter what

since you're more a linguist I can see how you would love or hate nietzsche though: he was one Hyperbolic, aphoristic machine!

anyways, another time, another time!