like, fuck. i only read an interview with chris the other week where he lamented companies that only wanted to make money, rather than great games. and here we have him dumbing down his product so he can sell more copies.
gutted
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May-02-2009 15:55
Cpt.Cocaine
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"people are going to have fun with the combat and not get bogged down in economics"
That's the same song they were singing with starcraft 2 originally; remove all of that tedious pointless clicking (aka the thinking and strategic aspects of the game) so players can now focus on strategy (aka watching lasers go pew pew).
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May-02-2009 16:09
pkcRAISTLIN
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yeah, but luckily for you SC has such a monster following that they had to acquiesce to fans at certain points. i dont think the ~3500 ranked FA players will have quite the same effect
the eco model is one of supcom's strengths and also makes it unique. changing that to a more 'common' model can't be a good thing.
as the article says, even chris taylor sounds crushed. like wtf?
May-02-2009 16:13
Cpt.Cocaine
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
as the article says, even chris taylor sounds crushed. like wtf?
I would too.
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May-02-2009 16:19
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transcript:
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"If I start the game and in the first 60 seconds I build a tank, I want that tank to deliver the killing blow to my opponent 35 minutes to 90 minutes later"
That's Chris Taylor's goal for Supreme Commander 2. It's completely counter to the philosophy of both the beloved Total Annihalation and the mighty Supreme Commander. Both strategy games revolved around a stark stratification of combat power. Tech 1 bots were tiny gnats next to the state of the art you'd be churning out half an hour into a match.
But Chris and his team are fresh from their success with Demigod, the small-scale strategy/RPG hybrid (reviewed on page 84) where hero units level up and buy equipment on the battlefield. It's a safe bet that we'll see Supreme Commander's Veterancy system explanded in which units become stronger as they score more kills, but thats not all. Their objective, Chris says, is to ensure that "every one of them has the ability to sustain themselves throughout the entire game, so we need each of them to be much more complex and have amny facets."
Elsewhere though, Supreme Commander is getting simpler. In the first game it was as challenging to set up a functioning economy as it was to win a given skirmish. Now, Gas Powered Games have decided to "take the economy management off the table... You'll be able to play this like any other RTS," Chris says, worryingly.
It wasn't always fun to deal with crashing mass in SupCom but that challenge was half the game. Even Chris sounds upset about it; "The nerd in me died a little bit," he confesses, [someone] said, "That's OK Chris, because more people are going to have fun with the combat aspect of the game and not get bogged down in the economic management," It was an expressive [something].
Bizzarely, Gas Powered Games have chosen to partner with Final Fantasy creators Square Enix for the sequel. Chris says this is part of the push to give Supreme Commander more character. "We're going away from iconographic units to a living, breathing RTS game - Squaer Enix has this unbelievable [resource?] for creating stories and characters and they're experts at this."
Hard details are currently too scarce to get a clear idea of where Chris and his team are going with this, but it's already clear that SupCom 2 is going to be a very different game. It'll still have hundreds of units on screen though and as a final deal-sweetener, Chris promises "spectacular visual change" that'll run well on a £500 PC.
there's just nothing in there that excites me. i wonder if they'll be getting rid of the ballistics model too
May-03-2009 03:51
BTG
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i should really play Supreme commander.
I bought it and played it against my brother for about a week, then stopped. i didn't hate it, just was too lazy to learn much about it.
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May-03-2009 08:28
pkcRAISTLIN
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yeah, the learning curve is pretty steep but i found it so rewarding. never been interested in an RTS the way i have been in FA.
May-03-2009 12:10
Philby
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fvck trying to read that scan
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May-06-2009 01:55
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by Philby
fvck trying to read that scan
which is why i provided a transcript in this very thread for you cvnts with poor eyesight. apparently its really really poor
Is E3 going on right now? I haven't really been paying attention this year.
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May-31-2009 15:23
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I think it starts today or tomorrow.
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