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Fledz
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Registered: Sep 2006
Location: London UK

quote:
Originally posted by 00soups00
i'm still struggling to see why people put together mixes on ableton, when it is really not a true reflection of how good or bad they are as DJs.

Am i the only one who prefers to hear a live dj mix over an ableton set?


I prefer it on radioshows. The mixing is better and it I just want to hear good tracks.

Live mixing can be left for livesets or DJ promo's for clubs.

When I'm listening to a set I want good music, followed by good mixing. Whether it's Ableton, vinyl or CDs doesn't bother me.


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Deeman
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Registered: Jul 2006
Location: Melbourne

quote:
Originally posted by 00soups00
i'm still struggling to see why people put together mixes on ableton, when it is really not a true reflection of how good or bad they are as DJs.

Am i the only one who prefers to hear a live dj mix over an ableton set?


No.

I prefer a live set but if you're an established Dj and prefer to use ableton then so be it as long as you can back it all up live as well.


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00soups00
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Registered: Aug 2002
Location: Melbourne

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Originally posted by Lister Cooray
lol this is the first one i've ever done soups and i generally never do it. id be happy to show you how i mix if you want to

*for the last time its a promo for the laundry room not for us personally!! you think diggers mixed transitions live do you? if it was our personal promo things would be different.




again it wasnt a personal smear against your abilities as a dj, i know what your skills and sound are like and i probably will come down to see Laundry.

however i dont care about what diggers did when he was mixing his album. i love how people make the comparison between what they do and what massive international dj's do...

before anyone brings it up, i know my music loveman Markus Schulz uses ableton when he is on the road to put together his GDJB radio show, however this constant shift to ableton for promo's is just a bit whack in my opinion.

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Dj_Es-Dva
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Registered: Jul 2005
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quote:
Originally posted by Fledz
I prefer it on radioshows. The mixing is better and it I just want to hear good tracks.

Live mixing can be left for livesets or DJ promo's for clubs.

When I'm listening to a set I want good music, followed by good mixing. Whether it's Ableton, vinyl or CDs doesn't bother me.

Im going to have to disagree there. I think it should only be used if you're using it for a purpose, ie. to rework live or do complicated things. If your just using it to go between song A and B then thats just being a jukebox

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Lister Cooray
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Registered: Jun 2005
Location: Melbourne, Australia

quote:
Originally posted by Fledz
I prefer it on radioshows. The mixing is better and it I just want to hear good tracks.

Live mixing can be left for livesets or DJ promo's for clubs.

When I'm listening to a set I want good music, followed by good mixing. Whether it's Ableton, vinyl or CDs doesn't bother me.


lol exactly. this mix was a promo for a night i have started. you guys have actually used it to judge our dj ability and style. maybe we shouldnt have put on our name it lol

nick and i are actually putting together a 3 dics promo as we speak so maybe judge us on that if ya like.

luke fair and hernan emailed me back saying they like the mix and they can see where music is headed in the next 6 months. luke was even talking about this at dinner last tuesday so i think i'd probably take their comments into a bit more consideration then others. BUT all feedback is welcomed!

i see what your saying soups, i prefer to mix live too but this is not a promo for us!!! its for my night!


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Dean Millson
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Registered: Jul 2005
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quote:
Originally posted by 00soups00
again it wasnt a personal smear against your abilities as a dj, i know what your skills and sound are like and i probably will come down to see Laundry.

however i dont care about what diggers did when he was mixing his album. i love how people make the comparison between what they do and what massive international dj's do...

before anyone brings it up, i know my music loveman Markus Schulz uses ableton when he is on the road to put together his GDJB radio show, however this constant shift to ableton for promo's is just a bit whack in my opinion.


It's just the same as anything - horses for courses really. I find putting together a mix in ableton more challenging than recording a live mix these days, but that's because i try to push it further and pretty much re-edit every single track that i use. It takes me about 4 times as long to complete than knocking out a live mix.

I think if you're putting together a mix to show a club what you can do (for example) then i think it should be mixed live, but as Deeman said, if you're established, or are maybe doing it to share your music then i have no problem with Ableton.

I would much prefer to listen to good tunes put together well than good tunes ruined by sloppy mixing. There are only a few live sets that i really dig listening to because they're mixed so well - and that's few & far between sometimes. You get away with so much more when playing live, but as soon as it's removed from that context it becomes a completely different thing. Hence why imo live recordings of sets can sound so much more disappointing once you're off the dancefloor, out of the "moment", and inside your loungerrom or car. Give me a meticulously thought out & programmed CD over a live mix anyday.

But once, again, that's just me


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Fledz
Lost & Found



Registered: Sep 2006
Location: London UK

quote:
Originally posted by Dj_Es-Dva
Im going to have to disagree there. I think it should only be used if you're using it for a purpose, ie. to rework live or do complicated things. If your just using it to go between song A and B then thats just being a jukebox


Why? It's a showcase of track selection not mixing ability. If they want their mixing critiqued then they can do a proper mix.

Music first, mixing second.

If I listen to a radioshow and the music blows me away, then find out that the "DJ" doesn't really DJ live it doesn't bother me one bit. The point is that the music was still fantastic and the track selection great.

The original definition of a disc jockey was for radio. They rarely played live. I don't see the problem.

Now...if you're doing a promo and sending it to clubs then that's bad, but you're fucked anyway since when you do play live you won't be able to match it.

If you can have perfection, why not have it?

Each to their own though. No skin off my back.

EDIT - Dean has a good point. Mixing in Ableton takes alot longer. You put so much more effort into it and you can do cool edits and add effects which makes the listening experience so much better.


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Lister Cooray
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Registered: Jun 2005
Location: Melbourne, Australia

quote:
Originally posted by Dean Millson
It's just the same as anything - horses for courses really. I find putting together a mix in ableton more challenging than recording a live mix these days, but that's because i try to push it further and pretty much re-edit every single track that i use. It takes me about 4 times as long than knocking out a live mix.

I think if you're putting together a mix to show a club what you can do (for example) then i think it should be mixed live, but as Deeman said, if you're established, or are maybe doing it to share your music then i have no problem with Ableton.

I would much prefer to listen to good tunes put together well than good tunes ruined by sloppy mixing. There are only a few live sets that i really dig listening to because they're mixed so well - and that's few & far between sometimes. You get away with so much more when playing live, but as soon as it's removed from that context it becomes a completely different thing. Hence why imo live recordings of sets can sound so much more disappointing once you're off the dancefloor, out of the "moment", and inside your loungerrom or car. Give me a meticulously thought out & programmed CD over a live mix anyday.

But once, again, that's just me


totally agree. most tracks on the cd have been edited - extended/shortened etc to fit right. would have been easier to just hit record and track mark it when done IMO but this actually was more of a challenge and a different experience too.


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i tried to mix a cake just on my turntables. fucking mess everywhere.


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James Brooke
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Registered: Nov 2006
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quote:
Originally posted by 00soups00
i'm still struggling to see why people put together mixes on ableton, when it is really not a true reflection of how good or bad they are as DJs.

Am i the only one who prefers to hear a live dj mix over an ableton set?


Agreed 100%, but IMHO i think all Gaybelton mixes should be labeled as such! That way the listener clearly knows what they are getting...and no-one is confused about how it was made!

And with CDJ-1000's and a good mixer you can re-edit the tracks and create a mix that is just as good as an ableton mix, if not better...you just gotta have the skillz


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Dean Millson
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Registered: Jul 2005
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quote:
Originally posted by 00soups00
i love how people make the comparison between what they do and what massive international dj's do...


Why soups? It's called 'best practice' in most fields of endeavour.


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Lister Cooray
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Registered: Jun 2005
Location: Melbourne, Australia

quote:
Originally posted by Dean Millson
Why soups? It's called 'best practice' in most fields of endeavour.


lol why not compare soups. we all wanna be internationals don't we?

might as well take a leaf out of their book.


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