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U.S. Is Holding Iranians Seized in Raids in Iraq

December 25, 2006
U.S. Is Holding Iranians Seized in Raids in Iraq
By JAMES GLANZ and SABRINA TAVERNISE

BAGHDAD, Dec. 24 — The American military is holding at least four Iranians in Iraq, including men the Bush administration called senior military officials, who were seized in a pair of raids late last week aimed at people suspected of conducting attacks on Iraqi security forces, according to senior Iraqi and American officials in Baghdad and Washington.

The Bush administration made no public announcement of the politically delicate seizure of the Iranians, though in response to specific questions the White House confirmed Sunday that the Iranians were in custody.

Gordon D. Johndroe, the spokesman for the National Security Council, said two Iranian diplomats were among those initially detained in the raids. The two had papers showing that they were accredited to work in Iraq, and he said they were turned over to the Iraqi authorities and released. He confirmed that a group of other Iranians, including the military officials, remained in custody while an investigation continued, and he said, “We continue to work with the government of Iraq on the status of the detainees.”

It was unclear what kind of evidence American officials possessed that the Iranians were planning attacks, and the officials would not identify those being held. One official said that “a lot of material” was seized in the raid, but would not say if it included arms or documents that pointed to planning for attacks. Much of the material was still being examined, the official said.

Nonetheless, the two raids, in central Baghdad, have deeply upset Iraqi government officials, who have been making strenuous efforts to engage Iran on matters of security. At least two of the Iranians were in this country on an invitation extended by Iraq’s president, Jalal Talabani, during a visit to Tehran earlier this month. It was particularly awkward for the Iraqis that one of the raids took place in the Baghdad compound of Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, one of Iraq’s most powerful Shiite leaders, who traveled to Washington three weeks ago to meet President Bush.

Over the past four days, the Iraqis and Iranians have engaged in intense behind-the-scenes efforts to secure the release of the remaining detainees. One Iraqi government official said, “The Iranian ambassador has been running around from office to office.”

Iraqi leaders appealed to the American military, including to Gen. George W. Casey Jr., the senior American ground commander in Iraq, to release the Iranians, according to an Iraqi politician familiar with the efforts. The debate about what to do next has also engaged officials in the White House and the State Department. The national security adviser, Stephen J. Hadley, has been fully briefed, officials said, though they would not say what Mr. Bush has been told about the seizure or the identity of the detainees.

A senior Western official in Baghdad said the raids were conducted after American officials received information that the people detained had been involved in attacks on official security forces in Iraq. “We conduct operations against those who threaten Iraqi and coalition forces,” the official said. “This was based on information.”

A spokesman for Mr. Hakim, who heads a Shiite political party called Sciri, which began as an exile group in Iran that opposed Saddam Hussein, declined to comment. In Tehran, the Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman, Mohammad Ali Hosseini, had no comment about the case on Sunday other than to say it was under examination.

The action comes at a moment of extraordinary tension in the three-way relationship between the United States, Iran and Iraq. On Saturday, even as American officials were trying to determine the identity of some of the Iranians, the United Nations Security Council passed a resolution imposing mild sanctions against Iran for its refusal to suspend uranium enrichment. Meanwhile, the Bush administration has rejected pressure to open talks with Iran about its actions in Iraq.

Much about the raids and the identities of the Iranians remained unclear on Sunday. American officials offered few details. They said that an investigation was under way and that they wanted to give the Iraqi government time to figure out its position. A Bush administration official said the Iranian military officials held in custody were suspected of being members of the Quds force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. It has been involved in training members of Hezbollah and other groups that the Americans regard as terrorist organizations.

American and Iraqi officials have long accused Iran of interfering in this country’s internal affairs, but have rarely produced evidence. The administration presented last week’s arrests as a potential confirmation of the link. Mr. Johndroe said, “We suspect this event validates our claims about Iranian meddling, but we want to finish our investigation of the detained Iranians before characterizing their activities.”

He added: “We will be better able to explain what this means about the larger picture after we finish our investigation.”

In the raids, the Americans also detained a number of Iraqis. Western and Iraqi officials said that following normal protocol, the two Iranian diplomats were turned over to the Iraqi government after being questioned. The Iraqis, in turn, released them to the Iranian Embassy. An Iraqi official said his government had strained to keep the affair out of the public eye to avoid scuttling the talks with Iran that were now under way.

The raids and arrests were confirmed by at least seven officials and politicians in Baghdad and Washington. Still, the development was being viewed skeptically on Sunday by some Iraqis, who said that they suspected that the timing was intended to reinforce arguments by some in the administration that direct talks with Iran would be futile.

An administration official in Washington disputed that, saying, “When the military conducted the raids, they really didn’t know who they were going to find.”

The United States is now holding, apparently for the first time, Iranians who it suspects of planning attacks. One senior administration official said, “This is going to be a tense but clarifying moment.”

“It’s our position that the Iraqis have to seize this opportunity to sort out with the Iranians just what kind of behavior they are going to tolerate,” the official said, declining to speak on the record because the details of the raid and investigation were not yet public. “They are going to have to confront the evidence that the Iranians are deeply involved in some of the acts of violence.”

The events that led to the arrests of the Iranians began on Thursday, although details are sketchy.

In one raid, which took place around 7 p.m. that day, American forces stopped an official Iranian Embassy car carrying the two Iranian diplomats, one or two Iranian guards and an Iraqi driver. Iraqi officials said that the diplomats had been praying at the Buratha mosque and that when it was stopped, the car was in the Allawi neighborhood, a few minutes from the Iranian Embassy to the west of the Tigris River.

All in the car were detained by the Americans. The mosque’s imam, Sheik Jalal al-deen al-Sageir, a member of Parliament from Mr. Hakim’s party, said the Iranians had come to pray during the last day of mourning for his mother, who recently died. He said that after the Iranians left, the Iranian Embassy phoned to say that they had not arrived as expected. “We were afraid they were kidnapped,” Sheik Sageir said.

But he said he was later informed that the diplomats, whom he said that he did not know well, were in the custody of Americans. “I had nothing to do with that,” Sheik Sageir said. “I don’t know why the Americans took them.”

The predawn raid on Mr. Hakim’s compound, on the east side of the Tigris, was perhaps the most startling part of the American operation. The arrests were made inside the house of Hadi al-Ameri, the chairman of the Iraqi Parliament’s security committee and leader of the Badr Organization, the armed wing of Mr. Hakim’s political party.

Many Shiite political groups are now suspected of having ties to Iran, and Sciri is no exception. Senior party leaders lived in exile in Iran for years plotting the overthrow of Mr. Hussein. Some married Iranians and raised their children there.

Mr. Hakim has emerged as the central Iraqi Shiite who is backing a new bloc made up of Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds that would isolate more radical politicians. Americans back the new bloc, and Mr. Hakim traveled to Washington earlier this month to discuss its formation with Mr. Bush. It was not clear how the arrests, embarrassing to Mr. Hakim, would affect those political efforts.

Hiwa Osman, a news media adviser to Mr. Talabani, said, “The president is unhappy with the arrests.” .

The politician familiar with the efforts said the Iranians in the compound had been in Iraq for four days. He said Iraqi officials expected that two more of the Iranians would be released soon.

The disagreement will further irritate relations between Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki of Iraq and his American supporters. The Shiite-led government has begun to chafe under the control of the Americans, pressing for more control of its army and for greater independence from what it says is unilateral American decision making.

The Americans are concerned that the Shiite-led government would not respect the rights of the minority Sunni Arab population, and, in the worst case, would use the largely Shiite security forces as a weapon in this country’s deepening sectarian war.

Since the borders opened after the invasion, it has not been uncommon for Iranian pilgrims to visit Iraq. Many come to worship in religious places holy to Shiites.

David E. Sanger and Michael R. Gordon contributed reporting from Washington, and Nazila Fathi from Tehran.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/25/w...agewanted=print


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sweet! sounds like Naked Muslem Pyramid time again.

Iran sucks huge floppy donkey dicks. smart people have known this for decades.

the only reason they are there is to start shit, just like everywhere else they crawl out from under, Lebanon, Argentina, France, Indonesia but every liberal, leftist, Amerikkka hating, moral equalizer will give this a pass as well.

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quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
sweet! sounds like Naked Muslem Pyramid time again.



Being a good neocon Q?


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quote:
Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Being a good neocon Q?


hey, some Muslems indeed need to be in a naked pyramid. not you, not all of them but i'm all for it. just like i wouldn't mind seeing a naked child molester pyramid.

some of these c**ksuckers need a police dog in their face to make'em shit brick twinkies.

some of them need a trailer park queen to lead'em around by a leash and point at their lacking manhood.

i use these terms euphemistically because (i can't shoot them) i'm sick of the media protection, the moral equivalence, and the lack of moderate Muslim voices speaking out against Iran, all in the name Bushitler and his "cabal of Neocon Nazi's"

i don't know about you, but if i hear one more thing about Islamic fascist victimhood again, i'm not gonna take a hostage or blow up a vegatable stand or train Lebanese teenagers Jihad, i'm just gonna puke and hope my Neocon Amerikkkan military will continue to bring peace to the children of Greater Arabia with as little small arms fire as progressive-humanly possible.

thanx for your support. now get the f**k out of the way.

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quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo


i don't know about you, but if i hear one more thing about Islamic fascist victimhood again, i'm not gonna take a hostage or blow up a vegatable stand or train Lebanese teenagers Jihad, i'm just gonna puke and hope my Neocon Amerikkkan military will continue to bring peace to the children of Greater Arabia with as little small arms fire as progressive-humanly possible.

thanx for your support. now get the f**k out of the way.



Osama Bin Ladin is an Uncle Tom!!!

You know Q, if you were white, I would cringe, but as with me and you, I understand your fustration. People of "our" races have been victimized way before Muslims even were in this country. Hell the Blacks were sold as animals, even bred as animals not even 200 years ago. I too along with other Minority groups are getting sick and tired of the so called Special Treatment that some Muslim's expect. WHO DO THEY THINK THEY ARE?? You are right, where are the voices of Muslims speaking out against the Jihadist?? They take the Ten Comandments down in schools, but build special areas in schools so that Muslims have a place to Worship!! Hello???? Who's relatives were thrown in Camps not too long ago?? Just because they had yellow skin and slanted eyes??
When I hear Muslims whine about racisim, I do a big one of these

WELCOME TO THE CLUB! and At least the man is paying more attention to your ass, rather than me. Hell mesican can't get his groove on due in part I look suspect!

All fun Z and Q, but its the truth.

p.s. I won't even say anything about the Holocost. I am only speaking of America. honestly, the muslims need to do some house cleaning, Learn something from MLK, Cesar Chavez and other American Minority leaders, that GOT SOMETHING DONE! Its like I saw a special how, Muslims are moving to Las Vegas to work..... WTF??? and now they are starting to complain. Its just another example how THEY expect things to be done for them. In the words of my bros.... NIGGA Please!!

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Egypt slams Iranian president

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

CAIRO, Egypt -- Egypt rebuked Iran's president on Monday for claiming his state is "a nuclear country" - a comment that touched a nerve among Iran's neighbors in the Middle East.

Iran has consistently denied it seeks to build nuclear weapons, saying it aims to use its nuclear technology only to produce electrical power. But President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's ambiguous statement stirred fears about its nuclear ambitions.

Ahmadinejad's comments came in reaction to a U.N. Security Council resolution adopted Saturday which imposed limited sanctions on Iran for its refusal to cease uranium enrichment. Enriched uranium, which Iran insists on producing, can be used as fuel for nuclear reactors or as material for atomic weapons.

"Iran is a nuclear country" whether the world likes it or not, he told a gathering Sunday in Tehran.

Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit responded Monday by saying only states that possess atomic bombs should claim to be nuclear powers.

"Nuclear states are only those that have military nuclear capabilities," he said in a statement. "The possession by some countries of peaceful nuclear technology or some of stages of the nuclear cycle or carrying out some peaceful nuclear activities does not mean by any means that it can call itself a nuclear state."



The United States and some allies have accused Iran of using a civilian nuclear program as a cover for acquiring nuclear weapons.

Iran's decision to declare itself a nuclear power could undermine Egypt's campaign to get the Middle East to declare itself a zone free of nuclear weapons.

Iran's nuclear ambitions are of particular concern to Israel, the only Middle Eastern state believed to now have a nuclear arsenal. Ahmadinejad has called for Israel to be wiped off the map.

Israel has been ambiguous about its program, refusing to either confirm or deny it has nuclear weapons. It has said it will not be the first to introduce nuclear weapons to the Middle East.

Many Sunni Arab states, including Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia are worried about the growing influence of Shiite Iran in Iraq, and its potential for stirring up religious tensions between the region's Shiite and Sunni populations. Both Iran and Iraq have Shiite Muslim majorities.

Under Saddam Hussein, Iraq was run by its Sunni Arab minority. Now, the Shiites lead the government and some Sunnis fear their political success may embolden Shiite communities across the Arab world.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/natio...an_Nuclear.html


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quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
hey, some Muslems indeed need to be in a naked pyramid. not you, not all of them but i'm all for it. just like i wouldn't mind seeing a naked child molester pyramid.

some of these c**ksuckers need a police dog in their face to make'em shit brick twinkies.

some of them need a trailer park queen to lead'em around by a leash and point at their lacking manhood.

i use these terms euphemistically because (i can't shoot them) i'm sick of the media protection, the moral equivalence, and the lack of moderate Muslim voices speaking out against Iran, all in the name Bushitler and his "cabal of Neocon Nazi's"

i don't know about you, but if i hear one more thing about Islamic fascist victimhood again, i'm not gonna take a hostage or blow up a vegatable stand or train Lebanese teenagers Jihad, i'm just gonna puke and hope my Neocon Amerikkkan military will continue to bring peace to the children of Greater Arabia with as little small arms fire as progressive-humanly possible.

thanx for your support. now get the f**k out of the way.


It's funny how neocons went from denying Abu-Gharib/Guantanamo/secret prison like scandals, to defending them, and now proposing them. Then again, any informed person knows you're thugs and hypocrites so that doesn't really come across as a surprise. Well, atleast you've proven beyond a doubt that you're a savage racist tool. The Neocon admin must be very proud of all the brainwashed barbarians with no moral conscience they've produced, just the way they want 'em to be. Makes for efficent & obedient slaves to implement their warmongering agenda of domination and control. But I guess you enjoy serving your chickenhawk masters, so it all works out for you.


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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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quote:
Originally posted by shaolin_Z
It's funny how neocons went from denying Abu-Gharib/Guantanamo/secret prison like scandals, to defending them, and now proposing them. Then again, any informed person knows you're thugs and hypocrites so that doesn't really come across as a surprise. Well, atleast you've proven beyond a doubt that you're a savage racist tool. The Neocon admin must be very proud of all the brainwashed barbarians with no moral conscience they've produced, just the way they want 'em to be. Makes for efficent & obedient slaves to implement their warmongering agenda of domination and control. But I guess you enjoy serving your chickenhawk masters, so it all works out for you.


oh please. take a little more responsibility for the shortcomings of your heritage, ok? then come whining to me about "racist thuggery". meanwhile there are some really innocent people in Iraq and around the globe in the crosshairs of some really bad people. contrary to to what you believe, you just can't put on your headphones and wish this s**t away.

you know damn well i have had nothing but compassion and sympathy for the plight of moderates everywhere including Iraqis and the occasional Iranian college student. i've been puttin it out there intellectually on this board for years and have been grossly outnumbered and spat on defending innocent Iraqis and what could be for them. hell most liberals on this board don't give a damn about or even give the courtesy wanting better for children of Greater Arabia. thats just the liberal nature.

us Neocons are obligated to give a damn about something if we're gonna invest so much into what we believe is possible, but i mean it, thanx for supporting and defending your heritage but now's the time you need to shut up or put up or get the f**k out of the way.

"chickenhawk" "Neocon warmongerer" "brainwashed slave bent on world domination" i've been hearin this s**t for years, and the world keeps turning.

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quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
oh please. take a little more responsibility for the shortcomings of your heritage, ok?


Your deluded and exagerated racist views have nothing to do with "my heritage," the "shortcomings" of which have little to do with "me" nor am I "responsible" in any way shape of form for what Western powers have done to the region.

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
then come whining to me about "racist thuggery". meanwhile there are some really innocent people in Iraq and around the globe in the crosshairs of some really bad people. contrary to to what you believe, you just can't put on your headphones and wish this s**t away.

you know damn well i have had nothing but compassion and sympathy for the plight of moderates everywhere including Iraqis and the occasional Iranian college student. i've been puttin it out there intellectually on this board for years and have been grossly outnumbered and spat on defending innocent Iraqis and what could be for them. hell most liberals on this board don't give a damn about or even give the courtesy wanting better for children of Greater Arabia. thats just the liberal nature.


Yes, I remember so clearly you calling for dropping bombs on New York as that was where Timothy Mcveigh was from. Not to mention torturing/raping random New Yorkers and stacking them up in naked human pyramids, right? Becuase Timothy Mcveigh was a terrorist, that means we need to bomb the entire fucking country and randomly arrest, detain, and torture American citizens right? I guess you have different standards when it come to "having compassion and sympathy" for different groups of people. You're so full of shit, and you're so blind that you don't even know it. You've been brainwashed well by masters and their institutions.

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
us Neocons are obligated to give a damn about something if we're gonna invest so much into what we believe is possible, but i mean it, thanx for supporting and defending your heritage but now's the time you need to shut up or put up or get the f**k out of the way.

"chickenhawk" "Neocon warmongerer" "brainwashed slave bent on world domination" i've been hearin this s**t for years, and the world keeps turning.


You need to make some sense when you bother opening your mouth. not be a liar and hypocrite, have some sort of logical and/or ethical coherence in your arguments, or just "shut up or get the f**k out of the way." Your ass has been whooped in just about every debate by myself, Occ, Opus, and a bunch of others here in virtually every debate/discussion. Your lame insults, temper tantrums, obfuscations and tangential arguments aren't impressive to say the least.


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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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quote:
Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Your deluded and exagerated racist views have nothing to do with "my heritage," the "shortcomings" of which have little to do with "me" nor am I "responsible" in any way shape of form for what Western powers have done to the region.


okay then it's really simple. it has nothing to do with you? DON'T DEFEND THE SHORTCOMINGS OF ISLAM FROM ME THEN!. let the big boys do it, k?



quote:
Yes, I remember so clearly you calling for dropping bombs on New York as that was where Timothy Mcveigh was from. Not to mention torturing/raping random New Yorkers and stacking them up in naked human pyramids, right? Becuase Timothy Mcveigh was a terrorist, that means we need to bomb the entire fucking country and randomly arrest, detain, and torture American citizens right? I guess you have different standards when it come to "having compassion and sympathy" for different groups of people.

wow talk about obfuscation, but your right, if i had the chance i would have strung up that m**therf**ker and everyone responsible for what happened that day in biggest, nastiest naked pyramid the world has ever seen.

quote:
You're so full of shit, and you're so blind that you don't even know it. You've been brainwashed well by masters and their institutions.

You need to make some sense when you bother opening your mouth. not be a liar and hypocrite, have some sort of logical and/or ethical coherence in your arguments, or just "shut up or get the f**k out of the way." Your ass has been whooped in just about every debate by myself, Occ, Opus, and a bunch of others here in virtually every debate/discussion. Your lame insults, temper tantrums, obfuscations and tangential arguments aren't impressive to say the least.


typical. keep it comin.

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Controversial Muslim cleric's Holiday message to the Danes who gave him refuge; "Your Christianity is perverse"

So typical of the Religion of Peace now a days




Honestly, I sick and tired of how Christanity is painted as such a bad religion, and Islam and its craziies are given a free bus pass.

Oh but the holy father quotes a historical statement and all hell breaks loose


Oh Snap, that guy looks like my Uncle

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