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LazFX
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Registered: Aug 2004
Location: 9th Circle

quote:
Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Lol, I don't know whether to laugh or tar and feather you!

And I'm off to a free happy hour now, and probably a sofa in Virginia for the weekend. See you all next week.


Its all good man, I hate that word as well....
Must be some new buzz word or something..

have a good time in VA,
I will be heading up to DC , actually New Carrolton again next month for work....
I will drop you a PM when I do, maybe meet for a drink or two....

I will be staying with some buds around the Constitution Ave - Northeast side of the district.. on the job's dime

take care

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Lebezniatnikov
Stupidity Annoys Me



Registered: Feb 2004
Location: DC

quote:
Originally posted by LazFX

have a good time in VA,
I will be heading up to DC , actually New Carrolton again next month for work....
I will drop you a PM when I do, maybe meet for a drink or two....


Do it.


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Trancer-X
mutatis mutandis



Registered: Jul 2001
Location: Shambhala

quote:
Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
No no no, don't confuse the issue. You could care less whether or not people "seek" the truth - the only thing that matters to you is that they come to the same conclusions as yourself. Because, to you, your beliefs are the only enlightened ones. Everyone who has concluded differently is simply wrong, unenlightened, or stupid.

Your arrogant elitism is tiresome, and alienates far more people than you win over to your side in a debate. I used to read your posts for insight; now I realize that you only post for attention - you'd rather have everyone stroke your ego and say "omg Trancer-X is so smart" than have them look into the nature of the world on their own accord and draw their own conclusions. You'd much rather force the conclusions of youtube videos down everyone's throat and declare anybody who disagrees as a "sheeple" - and god I hate that word.


It's cool man, you can say whatever you need to say in defense of your ignorance but we all know that your dimestore psychology evaluation is no more accurate than Donald Rumsfeld's description of where the WMD's were located in Iraq (around Tikrit and Baghdad and East, West, South and North somewhat.)



I always tell people to do their own due diligence and actually even have a few close friends in my area who know what's going on but who each has somewhat different opinions about pretty much everything that we talk about regarding the NWO, the NAU, the Federal Reserve, 9/11 etc. but we always manage to remain civil when we do. I guess most of us don't still employ the schoolyard politics like you seem to do. Gang up on an individual and then separate them from their friends. It never really happened on this board until you and your buddies came on board.

Anyway, I've already explained to you that I grew used to the kids giving me a hard time about my intelligence a long time ago, probably around the seventh grade. Your schoolboy ridicule really doesn't bother me, anyway as it really only shows us all how insecure and immature you tend to be.

I think it's funny how you say that I force YouTube video's on people, too. That's pretty good! Tell me how I forced you to watch it because I really do need to hear something to make me laugh.

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donnybrasco
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Registered: Nov 2004
Location: L.A.

Trancer;

I'm reposting this from the Fed. Bank thread (in case you don't see it there), because it relates directly to what's now being discussed in this thread, and I'd like you to consider my view on the matter on a completely serious note (from me) for a change. Thanks:

"Your answer is interesting, I grant you that.

But I think conspiracies on the level you see them are too complex to be realistic. You're giving too much credit to the powers that be in terms of their ability to bend our will and public opinion to suit their desires for wars.

Now I'm not saying that these same powers won't or don't engage in deception from time to time, in order to perpetuate some of their agendas. I'm also not saying that they don't have a vested interest in making more money or gaining more power. But you have to draw a line between what is possible, and what is logistically NOT possible.

We live in a country with a free press. Do they catch everything that's newsworthy and report it all, all the time? No. But do they miss the really big stories? Not at all. If there were conspiracies afoot at the levels to which you see them, there is NO reason why they wouldn't be widely reported. Is there bias in the media? Sure. But there are enough competing outlets with variances in their bias to make sure that the larger stories don't go ignored.

There is also a two-party political system that is always latching on to the tiniest snip-its of negative news about their opponents, in the hopes that they can ruin them politically.

Given these checks and balances, "Grand" conspiracies are not possible. Small ones are, sure...ones between 2 or 3 or 4 people. Like a conspiracy to rob a bank, or to commit murder. But if "history" has proven ANYTHING, it's that keeping a secret amongst any more than two people is almost impossible! People talk. Someone ALWAYS gains something by talking and exposing a conspiracy. And also (to be repetitive), people TALK!! It's in our human nature to want to talk, confess, gossip, gain favor by exposing, etc.

But the real bottom line is; The incentive to perpetuate a conspiracy has to be greater than the incentive to expose it...ESPECIALLY the more people that are involved. The more people you involve, the more likely it is that someone is going to have a dissenting view and will expose the conspiracy for this reason.

So in many of these threads where you see conspiracies afoot, I don't see the incentive for them...not on the scale that you're advocating. They defy logic in many cases, and logistics in all of the rest...or both."


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Trancer-X
mutatis mutandis



Registered: Jul 2001
Location: Shambhala

quote:
Originally posted by donnybrasco
Trancer;

I'm reposting this from the Fed. Bank thread (in case you don't see it there), because it relates directly to what's now being discussed in this thread, and I'd like you to consider my view on the matter on a completely serious note (from me) for a change. Thanks:

"Your answer is interesting, I grant you that.

But I think conspiracies on the level you see them are too complex to be realistic. You're giving too much credit to the powers that be in terms of their ability to bend our will and public opinion to suit their desires for wars.

Now I'm not saying that these same powers won't or don't engage in deception from time to time, in order to perpetuate some of their agendas. I'm also not saying that they don't have a vested interest in making more money or gaining more power. But you have to draw a line between what is possible, and what is logistically NOT possible.

We live in a country with a free press. Do they catch everything that's newsworthy and report it all, all the time? No. But do they miss the really big stories? Not at all. If there were conspiracies afoot at the levels to which you see them, there is NO reason why they wouldn't be widely reported. Is there bias in the media? Sure. But there are enough competing outlets with variances in their bias to make sure that the larger stories don't go ignored.

There is also a two-party political system that is always latching on to the tiniest snip-its of negative news about their opponents, in the hopes that they can ruin them politically.

Given these checks and balances, "Grand" conspiracies are not possible. Small ones are, sure...ones between 2 or 3 or 4 people. Like a conspiracy to rob a bank, or to commit murder. But if "history" has proven ANYTHING, it's that keeping a secret amongst any more than two people is almost impossible! People talk. Someone ALWAYS gains something by talking and exposing a conspiracy. And also (to be repetitive), people TALK!! It's in our human nature to want to talk, confess, gossip, gain favor by exposing, etc.

But the real bottom line is; The incentive to perpetuate a conspiracy has to be greater than the incentive to expose it...ESPECIALLY the more people that are involved. The more people you involve, the more likely it is that someone is going to have a dissenting view and will expose the conspiracy for this reason.

So in many of these threads where you see conspiracies afoot, I don't see the incentive for them...not on the scale that you're advocating. They defy logic in many cases, and logistics in all of the rest...or both."


Don't waste your time trying to convince me about anything in regards to conspiracies or social conditioning and propaganda. I mean, I understand that you're obligated in trying to perpetuate doubt about all of these things on this board but I've already researched several somewhat grand conspiracies and know that what you just posted, while having a coupleof good points, is really just another feeble attempt at trying to get people to stop searching for the truth.

You'd be surprised at how quiet people can be when they're either bribed or have their (or their family's) lives or career's threatened.

Add that to the fact that even if there were groups of footmen doing things like say, planting explosives at the WTC's on 9/11, why would they risk indicting themselves for the sake of blowing the whistle on the attack planners or other superiors who probably remained completely anonymous to them and everyone else throughout the whole thing, anyway.

Oh, and don't kid yourself about our "free press!" The media blackout surrounding Ron Paul made it clear and perhaps even emphasized to many of us the level of control which our media actually exerts upon us American's.

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donnybrasco
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Registered: Nov 2004
Location: L.A.

quote:
Originally posted by Trancer-X
Don't waste your time trying to convince me about anything in regards to conspiracies or social conditioning and propaganda. I mean, I understand that you're obligated in trying to perpetuate doubt about all of these things on this board but I've already researched several somewhat grand conspiracies and know that what you just posted, while having a coupleof good points, is really just another feeble attempt at trying to get people to stop searching for the truth.


That's where you're wrong. I hope more people DO search for "the truth", because any logical person will come to the same conclusions that, well...any logical person will come to!

quote:
Originally posted by Trancer-X You'd be surprised at how quiet people can be when they're either bribed or have their (or their family's) lives or career's threatened.

Add that to the fact that even if there were groups of footmen doing things like say, planting explosives at the WTC's on 9/11, why would they risk indicting themselves for the sake of blowing the whistle on the attack planners or other superiors who probably remained completely anonymous to them and everyone else throughout the whole thing, anyway.




I give up, lol.

quote:
Originally posted by Trancer-X Oh, and don't kid yourself about our "free press!" The media blackout surrounding Ron Paul made it clear and perhaps even emphasized to many of us the level of control which our media actually exerts upon us American's.


I've seen stories about Ron Paul on Fox and CNN, and he's all over the Internet. Compared to the long list of other Presidential hopefuls on my Primary Ballot whom I've never even heard of, I'd say Ron Paul is getting PLENTY of press. You're kidding yourself (again).


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Trancer-X
mutatis mutandis



Registered: Jul 2001
Location: Shambhala

quote:
Originally posted by donnybrasco
I've seen stories about Ron Paul on Fox and CNN, and he's all over the Internet. Compared to the long list of other Presidential hopefuls on my Primary Ballot whom I've never even heard of, I'd say Ron Paul is getting PLENTY of press. You're kidding yourself (again).


That's because people caught on to it.

Anyway, I'm hardly kidding myself. I don't really watch television but I still have to hear about how blatant the media's suppression is from several of my friends who I've turned on to the good doctor.

Most everyone says the same thing about how they seldom hear anything about him.

Here's a few of their more flagrant omissions:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...459#post8203459

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...974#post8065974

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bi...cgi?read=111133

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Trancer-X
mutatis mutandis



Registered: Jul 2001
Location: Shambhala

quote:
Originally posted by LazFX
Ouch!!! damn Lebs, but I agree

wonder how long it will take one of the Trancer X ego strokers to come to the aid.......
(patiently awaits another one of the "enlightened" to come to the rescue of Trancer-X's ego:
cause they run in packs you know...

.
.
)

and this is the chill out thread but for the man with a plan.... from DC known as
Lebezniatnikov.......

here it is one more time for the march of dimes....


SHEEPLE!!!!


p.s. I am sure I will get flamed by the paranoid twins but unlike Trancer and the rest of the like minded "get Along Gang", I am secure in my manhood, knowledge and sexiness..... don't need anyone stroking anything of mine that ain't paying my car note.
ha ha ha

p.p.s. damn I am a lush you all, recieved my new shipment of AUSSIE Red Wines by post .............. DAmn you peeps down in the lower hemi know how to grow some grapes!!!

high marks for the 2003 Penfolds Magill Estate Shiraz....
this is the shit, and it better be for $40 dollars........ fucking American $ is sucking right now...
p.p.p.s dude its just the internet.... go out side and play or roll one up,,, if thats the way you roll




Guilt by association: Guilt by association links a person, group, or idea to other persons, groups, or ideas repugnant to the target audience. The insinuation is that the connection is not mutual, accidental, or superficial.

Slogans. A slogan is a brief striking phrase that may include labeling and stereotyping. If ideas can be sloganized, they should be, as good slogans are self-perpetuating.

Name Calling or Substitutions of Names or Moral Labels. This technique attempts to arouse prejudices in an audience by labeling the object of the propaganda campaign as something the target audience fears, hates, loathes, or finds undesirable.

Types of name calling:

  • Direct name calling is used when the audience is sympathetic or neutral. It is a simple, straightforward attack on an opponent or opposing idea.
  • Indirect name calling is used when direct name calling would antagonize the audience. It is a label for the degree of attack between direct name calling and insinuation. Sarcasm and ridicule are employed with this technique.

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LazFX
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Registered: Aug 2004
Location: 9th Circle

quote:
Originally posted by Trancer-X
Guilt by association: Guilt by association links a person, group, or idea to other persons, groups, or ideas repugnant to the target audience. The insinuation is that the connection is not mutual, accidental, or superficial.

Slogans. A slogan is a brief striking phrase that may include labeling and stereotyping. If ideas can be sloganized, they should be, as good slogans are self-perpetuating.

Name Calling or Substitutions of Names or Moral Labels. This technique attempts to arouse prejudices in an audience by labeling the object of the propaganda campaign as something the target audience fears, hates, loathes, or finds undesirable.

Types of name calling:
  • Direct name calling is used when the audience is sympathetic or neutral. It is a simple, straightforward attack on an opponent or opposing idea.
  • Indirect name calling is used when direct name calling would antagonize the audience. It is a label for the degree of attack between direct name calling and insinuation. Sarcasm and ridicule are employed with this technique.


Does it make you feel good that you copy and paste from other work that is not your own??



You sir are a Hack and a plagiarist

go preach to the feeble minded CTs that Can't deal with the Real world and keep posting your tripe ......



http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/546409/posts

next time cite your sources....

and PS, make a separate thread for your preaching .... this is the chill out section for PDD, not TRANCER X needs his ego stroked

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shaolin_Z
Hei Hu Quan



Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Austin, Texas, USA: TXTA #102

Ignore the mindless idiot Trancer. You know how the old saying goes,

"Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."

Not sure about that last part in his case, but he'll certainly drag you down to his level if you entertain his retarded ramblings. BTW, not sure if you knew this, but how does some as retarded as you know who work for the Feds? You'd assume the need people who're a little brighter.


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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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LazFX
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Location: 9th Circle

quote:
Originally posted by shaolin_Z

BTW, not sure if you knew this, but how does some as retarded as you know who work for the Feds? You'd assume the need people who're a little brighter.




pointing out someone that does not cite sources makes one retarded??

wow..... you are so smrt Z,


oh and if you would like.... I am boxing down at a gym on river side..... wanna spar??

you can call me a retarded federal worker to my face if you want....
after you wake up in Brackenridge lol

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shaolin_Z
Hei Hu Quan



Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Austin, Texas, USA: TXTA #102

quote:
Originally posted by LazFX


pointing out someone that does not cite sources makes one retarded??

wow..... you are so smrt Z,


oh and if you would like.... I am boxing down at a gym on river side..... wanna spar??

you can call me a retarded federal worker to my face if you want....
after you wake up in Brackenridge lol

Trust me, you don't want to "spar" me, unless you want to end up with dislocated and broken bones kiddo. Unlike boxing, even defensive techniques in our system are mostly meant to permanently cripple your opponent, another reason why I'm not particularly fond of violence. I'm guessing you don't want your nutsack torn out eigther. It's not exactly about testosterone. The point of combat is to finish your adversary as quickly and efficiently as possible. Their long term well being is inconsequential.


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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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