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Originally posted by Lilith You'll appreciate that crap when you see people who genuinely have none...

Interesting that you'd say that. I actually had the opposite experience. When I was working in Tanzania and Papua New Guinea, one of the things that struck me in both places was that the people there who I met, many of whom had nothing, were noticeably more happy and cheerful on a day-to-day basis than the comparatively absurdly privileged Americans I'm used to dealing with.

It really made me realize how little most of my material possessions contributed to my own happiness, and even how in some respects they had weakened me, making me dependent upon them. Granted, my experiences have increased my appreciation of some of those tools that do meaningfully improve my day-to-day life by saving valuable time or other resources, but it's also made me view them guardedly, because I don't wish to be dependent on such luxuries, improbable though it may be that I'll ever have to live without them. I also now care vastly less about those possessions which don't have some objective, functional benefit and which, truth be told, constitute the vast majority of material possessions that most people seek (here, at least).

Besides, money is power, and I'm not one to relinquish even the smallest bit of power lightly. If I were to levy but one criticism against Trancer-X and those like him, it's that they have the most absurdly naive ideas about how to fix the problems they identify. Regardless of the verisimilitude of their claims, their words will never reach enough people to make a difference (due to relatively few being willing to even hear them out), much less actually persuade enough of them. If they had any sense, they'd be seeking to accumulate as much wealth and power as possible and just use that to set it straight themselves. At least then they would have some remote chance of making a difference.

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Originally posted by Lilith So you're now attacking my intellect for the sake of doing so when you've run out of anything of substance?

No, not at all. I was simply asking you to do everyone a favor and make use the intellect that you do possess in order to uncover the truth that's being concealed. It's interesting to see how you twist it into something else, though.

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I don't, but I don't make a pretence of it like you.

Show me where I'm making a pretence. I've never claimed to be anyone other than an incredibly concerned individual who's fed up with people's selfishly apathetic and/or proudly arrogant demeanors.

If we were in the jungle and I saw a lion hiding in the grass that was about to eat you and I screamed and screamed and screamed (for a loooong f***ing time) that there was a lion there and that I could see it with my own eyes and you sat there denying it and started ridiculing me, would you NOT expect me to ultimately say "get out of there, you stupid f**king a$$hole!!" ???

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Bit of wealth envy too I see, no, that's guilt. I always thought that was a particularly odd trait from a lot of the western upper and middle classes, they are afforded the luxury of sitting around on their fat arses doing some deep thinking about how terrible the world is. After awhile a few of them feel guilty about it, being brought up in their affluent lifestyles which are bought at the cost of real blood, oppression and post colonial wars. So they indulge in some trite self-flagellation for a little while to make themselves feel better about the clean water, electricity, ample food and probably give up eating meat, join peta or some other fruitbat yank organisation to save the world while going to college on their industrialist parents money. Course, none of them ever learn that they will always be, just posers as they regurgitate their 2nd-class, paid for rote education which only requires a dollar to get a degree and not an ounce of intelligence.

Before you continue to spit any more of your misperceived or ill-wrought venom, you should understand that while luck (or perhaps karma) brought me to be conceived into a relatively comfortable place in this world, I have also endured a significant amount of ups and downs (both emotional and physical) throughout my life and have seen more than my fair share of financial extremes while personally riding this consciousness anywhere in between poverty and luxury while at the same time trying not to take it any more seriously than I have to. I'm personally able to bear witness to the fact that some of the wealthiest people that I've known have been some of the most miserable while some of the poorest people have been some of the happiest. Material wealth is irrelevant, anyway, as it's really all in your head. Thankfully, I became aware of that quite a few years ago.

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You'll appreciate that crap when you see people who genuinely have none... ...and when you see genuine oppression from down the wrong end of one the guns your country sells to put dinner on the table in the good ol' US of A

As I tried to say, I grew up in Baltimore and have seen how bad things can be right here in America. Yeah, I know that in relative terms (comparatively speaking) even the homeless have it good here, but saying that doesn't make the quality of their lives any better.

Anyway, you can't honestly blame war and greed or any of it's other underlying motivations on my country. The war financeers are purely international as the banking industry isn't discerning about geographical boundaries.

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Irony? I don't want your pity, you can go ram that where the sun doesn't shine. Seriously mate, don't even go that line of BS with me, especially from the likes of you.

Now that's some straight up venom you're spitting. You have some kind of a cosmic chip on your shoulder, don't you? It's no wonder that you named yourself after the demon Lilith, history's first bitch and androgynously born prostitute of the ancient goddess Ishtar, also known as a wind demon of vdisease and pestilence as well as the strangler of young children. LOL, how's Samael been treating you, you evil wench?

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Oh god he's throwing wiki articles about now... we even manage to beat that out of Magnetomium after long enough proving it's a crock. Answer the damn questions already instead of running off on tangents... no wait, don't bother.

It sounds like the concensus reality is trying to trump reason again. I don't think so, demon woman. To go on to say that is just your pandering to your little group of Wiki haters. The fact that the CIA has been caught editing Wikipedia is proof enough to me that most Wikipedia entries go beyond normal bounds in regards to explaining it's subject matter. I'd never take it as an ultimate source, though, because that would be foolish. There AREN'T any sources that are 100% reliable, anywhere but I think that it's safe to say that you're probably not going to get all of your facts straight if you're dependant upon sources who are supported by and/or related to anyone or thing that seeks to perpetuate the status quo. At least Wikipedia does usually have a good variety of footnotes which I often follow in order to glean information from other sources.

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Probably since google does tracing, which can be pulled by the FBI and your NSA without a warrant, I thought even a fruitbat conspiracy nut like yourself would know that.

With all due respect (none of which you really deserve but I'm a nice guy), if you're worried about Google tracing you but not your own government (or any private intelligence contractor, for that matter) then I think that YOU must be the one who's a fruitbat nut.

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Go back to your self indulgent, north american lifestyle which affords you the luxury of telling us all how 'bad and terrible' we are out here in the rest of the world with your ample spare time. Really, we don't need the pity, sorrow or pretend guilt of posers like yourself and much less want you trampling around our backyards on one of your 'crusades' to make us all, just like you. We've already seen enough of americans doing that and we'd most politely (force doesn't work, you make too many guns) like you to just piss off.

I think you keep overlooking the fact that the reason why I endure such inane criticism is because I am trying to help humanity and am not going to give up until I'm either dead or in one of our newly built concentration camps. (link 2)

For the last three years I've been speaking out against the same people who are trying to create a new military crusade under the guise of WWIV and here you are idiotically trying to berate me as being another Crusading American? You're obviously just too blind and too disputatiously inclined to see that I'm diametrically opposed to those people.

Oh well, at least you've made a great friend in pkcRAISTLIN

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Originally posted by Arbiter Interesting that you'd say that. I actually had the opposite experience. When I was working in Tanzania and Papua New Guinea, one of the things that struck me in both places was that the people there who I met, many of whom had nothing, were noticeably more happy and cheerful on a day-to-day basis than the comparatively absurdly privileged Americans I'm used to dealing with.

That's what I'm talking about.

Looking for happiness in materialism is like trying to satisfy a thirst which can never be thoroughly quenched.

In the grand scheme of things, we're all a part of the same vibrating energy, anyhow. Solid matter just vibrates at a much lower frequency.

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If I were to levy but one criticism against Trancer-X and those like him, it's that they have the most absurdly naive ideas about how to fix the problems they identify. Regardless of the verisimilitude of their claims, their words will never reach enough people to make a difference (due to relatively few being willing to even hear them out), much less actually persuade enough of them. If they had any sense, they'd be seeking to accumulate as much wealth and power as possible and just use that to set it straight themselves. At least then they would have some remote chance of making a difference.

The chink in the Illuminati's / New World Order's collective armor is the fact that they usually operate in secrecy and need to trick everyone into following their deviously divisive plans. Humanity doesn't have the time required to enter into (and complete) their masterfully crafted maze in the futile attempt to get that little piece of cheese that they've laid out before us so it's time for us all to step out of the box and begin to both think and do things differently.

It's about time that people woke up!! You can't win at this game because they hold all of the chips and they're always changing the rules. That's why they created the system the way that it is. You're the naive one if you think that it's even possible to beat them while playing by their rules.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X You're the naive one if you think that it's even possible to beat them while playing by their rules.

If you're not cheating, you're not trying. But if you don't look like you're playing by the rules, you're not cheating well.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z LOL nice

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Originally posted by Arbiter If you're not cheating, you're not trying. But if you don't look like you're playing by the rules, you're not cheating well.

How about if you just don't even look like you're playing?

I really want to see this..... looks funny..



roll one up and laugh at(with) the Kiwis

any of you southern hemi dwellers seen it??

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN don't listen to him lilith, youre upfront and honest, no bullshit which is why we adopted you into our fine country!

Probably why he's been on ignore for the last year or so and no chance of being removed. Not really my choice, he just never seemed to get the point after 3 chances (which is 2 more than anyone else gets) to understand that I'm not here to be abused on an emotional whimsy.

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Originally posted by Arbiter Interesting that you'd say that. I actually had the opposite experience. When I was working in Tanzania and Papua New Guinea, one of the things that struck me in both places was that the people there who I met, many of whom had nothing, were noticeably more happy and cheerful on a day-to-day basis than the comparatively absurdly privileged Americans I'm used to dealing with.

There's a good deal of optimism in Tanzania that the place is going to work out for the better which makes it somewhat unique amongst eastern seaboard that is in turmoil more often than it isn't. I hope it will work out well in the end for them if it remains stable and with some a little more help at the foundation levels of society.
PNG I've not a lot of knowledge about, never been there.

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It really made me realize how little most of my material possessions contributed to my own happiness, and even how in some respects they had weakened me, making me dependent upon them. Granted, my experiences have increased my appreciation of some of those tools that do meaningfully improve my day-to-day life by saving valuable time or other resources, but it's also made me view them guardedly, because I don't wish to be dependent on such luxuries, improbable though it may be that I'll ever have to live without them. I also now care vastly less about those possessions which don't have some objective, functional benefit and which, truth be told, constitute the vast majority of material possessions that most people seek (here, at least).

Way I figure it, anywhere your neighbours aren't hell bent on killing you and there's the basic necessities in life, anything else is a bonus to be both happy and proud of achieving. Assistance works better in these places where people have a sense of achievement in building their own futures with their own hands and a bit of help where needed.
Anything you just put in place has no real sense of worth to people if they didn't have a hand in it, they just end up treating it like a rental car
Same if you just lump down money, guns and tanks it doesn't really solve those basic necessities of life and something the developed countries have been too keen to dump in there every time there's a scrap. Give them tractors, tools, communication and education and those problems get nipped in the bud before they can develop into conflict.

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Besides, money is power, and I'm not one to relinquish even the smallest bit of power lightly. If I were to levy but one criticism against Trancer-X and those like him, it's that they have the most absurdly naive ideas about how to fix the problems they identify. Regardless of the verisimilitude of their claims, their words will never reach enough people to make a difference (due to relatively few being willing to even hear them out), much less actually persuade enough of them. If they had any sense, they'd be seeking to accumulate as much wealth and power as possible and just use that to set it straight themselves. At least then they would have some remote chance of making a difference.

Way I always figured it, if you're going to change anything, (for better or worse) you may as well start from the top and work your way down as nobody takes some scruffy, frothing at the mouth crusader seriously unless they've got a gun or money. Money as distasteful as it may seem to people at times, is a far easier way of fixing the worlds woes than blowing chucks out of people with a gun.
Sadly I've seen the latter happen too many times to know it doesn't work and it only lasts as long as the barrels pointed in their direction.
I'm not the same kind of charitable soul my mother was, mostly because she put her charity before a lot of other things and I'd much rather see it start at home where at least there will be stability there and anything else you can do from that point on is risk reduced or free of sending you under. At some point soon I'll probably end up free of debt and assets I can use to help other people, but its a few years off yet and I'm not exactly skilled in some of the fundamental aspects of charity work that would do the most good.

Done with PDD for now, someone stick a fork in TrancerX, I think he's fairly much cooked, but I dislike the pseudo-intellectual bullying and cheap shots of some people here directed to other members simply because of a difference of opinion.
A crusader is still, just a crusader regardless of where/what/who they believe in, they all think they're doing the right thing and can't be told otherwise. Which in a way is just a crippling flaw to not ever acknowledge that you can be wrong, it stunts the learning process and leads to delusion.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X all you did was throw in some cheap jabs and then run away. you wimp

Actually, you're a damaged little bastard and so poorly socialised I'd have better luck explaining things to a brick wall, course if you had actually displayed a modicum of intelligence instead of just professing how smart you are every post I'd bother continuing. But I wont because it's just flaming and I really do have better things to do with my spare time than engage in pointless hostilities.
So, I'm going to just stick you on the ignore list and terminate any further correspondence.
You will not be removed.

Ah, the "Chill" Out room! Where we all come to get along and have a laugh!

Sorry for butting into your little conversation, but didn't really see it developing!

So anyway, who's been out to burn Catholics today? Or is it just me?!?!

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Originally posted by George Smiley So anyway, who's been out to burn Catholics today? Or is it just me?!?!

No burning today....but I did stare down a nun on the way to the coffee shop.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X all you did was throw in some cheap jabs and then run away. you wimp

wow....... so enlightened aren't ya....

twat.