|Originally posted by George Smiley |
Ok, just had a complete headfuck and think I might have disproved the existence of God! Yes I’m drunk and had a few spiffs but I just sat down to take a dump on the toilet and had a complete revelation!
I’ll not go into details of how I came to think of this but it involves my Lonely Planet guide book to Lebanon and imagining me in Beirut having a conversation with someone about religion. He asks whether I believe in God and I say the Bible keeps contradicting itself and science has proven all other things to be untrue…apart from one thing science cant explain…and this is where I had my revelation!!
Basically, you all must have had that discussion with yourself about how the universe began. I know I’ve had it loads of times. Its quite a good argument for a religious person to make cos we simply do not know how the universe started. So the obvious religious argument is that it must have been God that did it. My theory is that we simply cannot contemplate the true nature of time. Humans are simply not that far ahead. So maybe time is in a kind of different shape, like a loop, and there simply is no beginning or end. However, the religious argument still holds, that the loop and everything in it had to be created at some point, things don’t just appear. So maybe it was God? But if we take the two religious arguments further, that nothing just ‘appears’ and that it had to be created, then that would apply to God too. God could not just have ‘appeared’ and had to be created, and what ever created that had to be created and so on. So we have an infinite chain of creation that simply cannot end. So my revelation is that taking the religious argument that the universe had to be created by something disproves itself, cos that implies an infinite chain of creation, which could equally apply to an infinite loop in time for the universe. Either way, which ever way you look at it, there simply is no beginning cos both theories lead to the infinite, but at least with a loop its circular, so the end and beginning can be at any point in the loop, whereas with the God theory, there is no point at which a beginning can be placed, therefore, that theory must be incorrect!
Thankyou, and goodnight! (ok might stay up for a bit to see if that screwed with anyone!)
Wauuw - you must have the weirdest toilet experiences. Have you ever yelled "Eureka!" in a public toilet stall?
Anyway, it doesn't make sense to ask what created the universe, as "create" presupposes a point in time where the thing is not there and a point where it is. But time is a property of the universe, so the universe cannot possibly have been created.
I agree with you that the "God did it" is never a good explanation, as it begs not only another question, but *two* new questions: "Why is there a God?" and "why did God do it?"
Btw. I'm taking over from you guys: Just opened the first beer, and will be going to a club pretty soon. It's 31 degrees and nearly 70% humidity here (at 10 in the evening), so I'll melt when I get to the subway and probably die if the club has no A/C. However, I read somewhere that alcohol lowers your body temperature, so I'm working on a plan...