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Originally posted by LazFX God I hated the PT dude that roomed with me at BESS. We did not have to march around or anything together as a group, they started that shit with the candy canes after I left, but we had to meet up ... allot guys blew it off, but I roomed with the guy so.... yeah remember all those fucking hills and shit?? I hated winters there in Groton... fucking hated them

BESS baracks omg the projects

i hated Connecticut pretty much as a whole.

everything north of Rhode Island though was cool with me.

Olympic boxing is a farce

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Originally posted by Q5echo drinking usually followed by fighting is what got me in trouble with the Navy. i was depressed. long story.

Wong Fei Hung Jr.

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Originally posted by Q5echo i'm into heavy weight-training now. i was a command PRT coordinator (personal trainer for fat bodies in the Navy) it's a hobby really. feeds my narcissism nicely and keeps me out of the bottle. that and some occasional reefer.

You still gotta hit those muscle groups free weights can't since they isolate ones you never actually use in combat. Hold those horse and bow stances, finger and fist push ups, and put up a newspaper against the wall .

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I don't know about you Z, but everytime I've picked someone up and slammed them I was definitely using muscles that free weights isolate.

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Originally posted by Zild I don't know about you Z, but everytime I've picked someone up and slammed them I was definitely using muscles that free weights isolate.

Wrestlers primarily do rely on those muscle groups. Wrestling, like most western martial arts, is primitive and simplistic. But any refined system of combat focuses weaknesses in an opponent not strengths. Something is only as strong as their weakest points. I can assure you it's easy as fuck to cripple or kill a million pound juggernaut that makes Arnold look like a little girl. I've never been a fan of UFC style MMA. Think about all the things you could do to an opponent attempting to tackle an opponent to the ground. Raise your knee, in to their nose / face region or throat, and rush your elbow down in to their esophagus. Anyone can do it (assuming you've go the reflexes and speed to do it). Plus, why spend excessive energy slamming them when you can simply find their center of balance and their won force / weight to take them down? That's like using brute force to attempt cracking an encryption protocol when you take a more intelligent approach and apply number theory.

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I just don't see things that way and that is coming from a lot of fighting experience. And you're making assumptions that I'm using western styles and wrestling when I've never learned any wrestling or trained in a single western style.

And it really doesn't take much energy to throw or slam someone. Usually you do something like sidestep a punch while turning your hip and launching the asshole into the nearest plate glass window or the asphalt if you can't find any windows.

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Originally posted by Zild I just don't see things that way and that is coming from a lot of fighting experience. And you're making assumptions that I'm using western styles and wrestling when I've never learned any wrestling or trained in a single western style.

You're obviously relying more on brute strength than technique or skill. That doesn't come with fighting experience, it comes with training. Sparring and full contact sparring is essential to be comfortable using those skills in real application, but the reason I used the label of 'wrestling' was because that's the closest principle you seem to rely on, brute force. I don't get in to confrontations or fights normally, because I know how ugly it can end. In kung fu, we don't play around... we end the fight as soon as possible, even if that means blinding someone, disabling muscle groups by snapping their tendons, immobilizing by snapping joints, or death. Japanese and Filipino martial arts are the same deal as Kung Fu. It's called "Kung Fu" for a reason (hard work). To each their own I guess.

I saw the hole you punched through that wall, so you're not slacking on conditioning or anything .

EDIT: Whatever works for you man. If your body type, weight class, and built allow for it, cool.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z You're obviously relying more on brute strength than technique or skill. That doesn't come with fighting experience, it comes with training. Sparring and full contact sparring is essential to be comfortable using those skills in real application, but the reason I used the label of 'wrestling' was because that's the closest principle you seem to rely on, brute force. I don't get in to confrontations or fights normally, because I know how ugly it can end. In kung fu, we don't play around... we end the fight as soon as possible, even if that means blinding someone, disabling muscle groups by snapping their tendons, immobilizing by snapping joints, or death. Japanese and Filipino martial arts are the same deal as Kung Fu. It's called "Kung Fu" for a reason (hard work). To each their own I guess.

Not much brute force involved at all. Like a hip check in ice hockey. You just look for an opening, slide your hip in front of the opposing player, and let their own force carry them up and over. It is easy to kill or disable someone in a fight. I think ending a fight quickly without seriously injuring your opponent is much more difficult.

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Originally posted by Zild Not much brute force involved at all. Like a hip check in ice hockey. You just look for an opening, slide your hip in front of the opposing player, and let their own force carry them up and over. It is easy to kill or disable someone in a fight.

Yeah, I understand now. Your initial statement gave me the impression you were solely relying on muscle strength.

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Originally posted by Zild I think ending a fight quickly without seriously injuring your opponent is much more difficult.

True, it takes a lot more dedication to the art and control. That's why I try to avoid fights unless someone is really "asking for it." That also means they have to push me to a point where I won't regret what I did to them afterwards.

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

For some reason I find people are always asking for it. Especially the females.


Seriously though if you're in a life/death situation you really only need to be able to control your opponent for the two seconds it takes you to pull your weapon and end the fight.

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Originally posted by Zild For some reason I find people are always asking for it. Especially the females. Seriously though if you're in a life/death situation you really only need to be able to control your opponent for the two seconds it takes you to pull your weapon and end the fight.

Yeah, that's true. I don't walk around armed though so I have to rely solely on myself. Real fights don't last more than a few seconds, you already know that, weapons or no weapons. Tournaments fights are bullshit as there are no rules in real life. My reasons for doing Kung Fu are self cultivation, health, and discipline though (I severely lack the last one), not being a lean mean street fighting machine, although street fights can be fun .

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller