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Originally posted by Lilith Also picked up quite a bit of synth influence from the early UK-US Acid House scene as well when the techno movement of the late 80's started picking up steam... and pills EBM and Acid House kind of had a parallel development in the 80's but they really didnt seem to mingle very much. EBM wandered off into trance, industrial and futurepop and acid house spawned a few varieties of techno and club music around the same time. Overall, I still think trance owes more too EBM than most of the other types of music that where floating around at the time.

Very cool.
You (and others here) might like this then.
It's a BBC documentary on the History of House Music called 'Pump Up the Volume'.
It's split up into 3, 1 hour segments so it's long, but so totally worth it.
Enjoy.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...istory+of+house
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...istory+of+house
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...istory+of+house

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Originally posted by tathi and the people talking about house dont really know the genre psy / goa trance evolved from EBM not "trance" but it has assimilated a few trancey elements along the way. real trance (old stuff by cosmic baby, sven vath, oliver lieb) is more akin to progressive trance than uplifting trance anyway. shaolin you should check out some progressive psy (andre absolute, dnox and beckers - its fucking awesome combines best of both worlds) i hate the cheesy shitHouse as much as you guys but i must say youre all missing out until youve experienced a true undergruond house set ps. im only logged in to ask some argentianian TA how to buy tickets to Richie Hawtin, Adam Beyer, and Superpitcher in two weeks and then Diggers and Hernan Cattaneo in three weeks heheheh but somehow i strayed into this thread

Look who's here right after their absense was already being felt ! I hope you're having a great time there man. BTW, you lucky bastard, you always get to catch the most badass DJs spinning live , while I rot here in Texas .

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SNL funny

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r It's a BBC documentary on the History of House Music called 'Pump Up the Volume'.

I remember watching that a few years ago, I was disappointed they didnt cover the mainland european EBM and industrial scene though which was running at the same time, but it would be more of an entire history of electronic music. It's still and interesting viewing, lots of interviews with some famous and luminary people.

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Originally posted by Lilith I remember watching that a few years ago, I was disappointed they didnt cover the mainland european EBM and industrial scene though which was running at the same time, but it would be more of an entire history of electronic music. It's still and interesting viewing, lots of interviews with some famous and luminary people.

True, there was heavy influence from Germany and Holland for example but I was argue that that would have more to do with the Techno gender than actual House.

That would be a great show as well for sure!

Get on that Lilith will yea?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Get on that Lilith will yea?

You want karate?

No, talking pre-Holland and German techno scene.
Back in 1982 a couple of bands like Front 242 from Belgium and Nitzer Ebb from Germany putting out a large amount of electronic music. Before them was the post-punk era of the late 70's which had a few bands doing it as well + conventional instruments.
All of this stuff was drum machine, synth, samplers, sequencers and computers and to some degree they mastered them as a composition piece before the warehouse guys started using it, they also didnt use vinyl mixing at all which does give it a very 'pure' sound much different from any other music genre of the time.
I'd even tentatively throw a band like New Order into that euro EBM scene too because they'd certainly fit the description and they started up in 1980 after Joy Division had ceased to be.

Back to the EBM scene, that was really big in europe in the underground and alternative scene in Belgium and Germany through the early to late 80's where it filled up with a lot of disenchanted punks. It did more or less die off too a dull roar though by about 1989 and didnt fire up again until the early 90's, about 91-92.
Then came the rush of bands onto the scene I'm more familiar with.
All the VNV Nation, Die Krupps, Covenant, Wumpscut and so on which formed the crossover between EBM and some of the Industrial scene with bands like Ministry which had been knocking around since the mid to late 80's. They where really different too the house and techno scene as well but by the mid 90's you started to see a bit of intermingling between the techno, industrial and EBM artists.

I'm probably not the best person to document it though, my main knowledge is about indi-alternative rock, gothic and industrial stuff, so the above may not be entirely correct!
(But its as best I remember it!)
It's only because of the crossovers with techno-industrial that I ended up listening to trance and acid house of the mid 90's-present.

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Originally posted by Lilith You want karate? No, talking pre-Holland and German techno scene. Back in 1982 a couple of bands like Front 242 from Belgium and Nitzer Ebb from Germany putting out a large amount of electronic music. Before them was the post-punk era of the late 70's which had a few bands doing it as well + conventional instruments. All of this stuff was drum machine, synth, samplers, sequencers and computers and to some degree they mastered them as a composition piece before the warehouse guys started using it, they also didnt use vinyl mixing at all which does give it a very 'pure' sound much different from any other music genre of the time. I'd even tentatively throw a band like New Order into that euro EBM scene too because they'd certainly fit the description and they started up in 1980 after Joy Division had ceased to be. Back to the EBM scene, that was really big in europe in the underground and alternative scene in Belgium and Germany through the early to late 80's where it filled up with a lot of disenchanted punks. It did more or less die off too a dull roar though by about 1989 and didnt fire up again until the early 90's, about 91-92. Then came the rush of bands onto the scene I'm more familiar with. All the VNV Nation, Die Krupps, Covenant, Wumpscut and so on which formed the crossover between EBM and some of the Industrial scene with bands like Ministry which had been knocking around since the mid to late 80's. They where really different too the house and techno scene as well but by the mid 90's you started to see a bit of intermingling between the techno, industrial and EBM artists. I'm probably not the best person to document it though, my main knowledge is about indi-alternative rock, gothic and industrial stuff, so the above may not be entirely correct! (But its as best I remember it!) It's only because of the crossovers with techno-industrial that I ended up listening to trance and acid house of the mid 90's-present.

Interesting.
You sound of the same era as me!

Except I was on this end of the pond listening to Images in Vogue, The Spoons, Blue Peter, Chalk Circle, Missing Persons, Skinny Puppy (a shoot off of Images in Vogue since Kevin Keys used to play with them) and Strange Advance (who are also a shoot off from IIV).

Others from other areas I loved, Joy Division/New Order, Tears for Fears (their 1st album only), Talk Talk, some Nitzer Eb, Flock of Seagulls, Berlin, Cabaret Voltaire, The Cure (of course), Depeche Mode (also a given), Echo and the Bunnymen, Tones on Tail, The Fixx and Psychedlic Furs.

In the last few years/months I've seen live:
The Fixx, Echo and the Bunnymen, Psychedelic Furs, Images in Vogue, The Spoons, Blue Peter, Chalk Circle and Flock of Seagulls are supposed to be coming but I've been told he's not that impressive.

I've always enjoyed the 'goth' scene, had lots of goth friends but can't say that I ever really was one or dressed the part.
Maybe a closet goth?
And oh yea, goth chicks rock

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You sound of the same era as me!

I'm not that damn old!

No, I was just interested in the scene about 10 years ago and collecting music took me through to the early 80's and 70's, before I was born.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r And oh yea, goth chicks rock

Most of the current crop that fell out of the US alternative scene s*** me to tears, it's not about the music anymore, its about looking right (being alternative by looking like everyone else), owning a bad myspace page and generally being emotionally disfunctional, aggressive which paints the scene fairly badly.

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Originally posted by Lilith Most of the current crop that fell out of the US alternative scene s*** me to tears, it's not about the music anymore, its about looking right (being alternative by looking like everyone else), owning a bad myspace page and generally being emotionally disfunctional, aggressive which paints the scene fairly badly.

Don't confuse them with Emo Kids!

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Don't confuse them with Emo Kids!

Confusion and ignorance was half the problem, nicking their styles from gothic, heavy metal and rivethead scenes, throwing it all together like a hobo's vomit and arriving on the scene like a fart.
Socially repulsive, offensive to most anyone still breathing and obnoxiously cloying.
"Oh we're gothic too, we wear makeup and listen to Nirvana"
-insert howls of laughter-
"Go away! You're an embarrassment!"
"I can write sad poetry to..."
"Which part of 'piss-off' didnt you understand?"

So at some point these wankers managed to get themselves labelled by the press after a few public homicides, suicides, assaults and other socially repulsive activity. Journalists who remembered enough of their wine soaked degree at university probably thought of arts students there through the booze soaked haze, wearing black and decided the generation of disfunctional spastics cutting themselves was decidedly 'gothic' or some kind of angry, confused beatnik on meth someone had thawed out from cryogenic storage and cut loose on society...

Course the generally ignorant everywhere bought that as being the whole and wonderful truth and a whole new generation came into the fold looking for some kind of identity to wrap their miserable, angry selves in for the sake of belonging to something.
Least the goth scene just came from punk anarchy where all we wanted to do was harmlessly say 'stuff you' to the system, arts and music in a way which was in a sense a bitter piss-take of the 80's fluro pop scene and 90's corporate conformity and identity.
(And we couldnt afford trendy clothes! j/k )

Well in a way I'm an old, bad joke to. Most any other day I'll be wearing a business suit and looking comparatively normal, except for the dreads and hair extensions tied up in a bun.

The video was very, very funny to, I laughed a lot

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I can honestly say I haven't really had to deal with any of that ilk.
Doesn't sound like I'm missing much really.

Business suit huh?
What is it that you do?
A power suit on a woman is awesome stuff in my books.

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The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."