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rubez
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25 keys keyboard, and more importantly, a motor vehicle transmission debate

i see numerous threads across the the internet like '25 vs 49 keys', new users looking for advice... and almost unanimously the opinion is absolutely go for 49 keys - you will very quickly regret buying 25 keys.

well i bought 25 keys and i am not yet regretting it. in fact in have discovered little 4 bar chords and progressions (or whatever they're called!) that i'm VERY pleasantly surprised at, and i am not sure i would have found these on a bigger 49 keys board - at least not so quickly

maybe the cut down stature of 25 keys makes it easier for beginners to digest. 49 keys may be a little daunting, even though it is the same thing with more octaves ready available.

i haven't read anything about piano theory or anything so i am surprised at how quickly i have learned these little routines. it's not like playing an actual complex melody or anything - just like leads or basslines.

most synths only sound good (or at their natural best) over the span of two octaves anyway. what are people with larger keyboards doing with them that 25 keyers can't?

i will be upgrading in the future and i am looking for reasons why it should be 49 instead of 25 keys, considering the space it takes up. i think it would be another 25 keys though. in the middle would be ideal - 37 keys - then i would never even have to press the octave button - but those seem to have fallen out of fashion somehow.

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49 or more keys takes up a lot of space, but 25 keys can easily run out of notes. Tit for tat, I suppose.

I don't regret buying a 25 key controller, but I have on several occasions wished I had a 49 key version when I run out of room laying down a large range of notes.


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The number of keys has nothing to do with beginner vs. pro. 4-year-olds can easily learn to play a full-sized piano. It has to do with space, portability, price, and how often you want to be bothered with the transpose buttons.


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rubez
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the smaller size has helped me find my bearings much more easier since it is only two octaves, halved down the middle.

otherwise, at twice the size, 49 keys, compartmentalising off separate octaves would be harder.

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cryophonik
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the smaller size has helped me find my bearings much more easier since it is only two octaves, halved down the middle.

otherwise, at twice the size, 49 keys, compartmentalising off separate octaves would be harder.


Harder? This isn't rocket science, dude. Knowing where notes are is the most minimal barrier to entry for any instrument, and if you can't get past that, it's past time to consider a different hobby. It's a repeating series of the same 12 notes FFS.


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This is all I could fit in my space. Just as well given how shit I am at playing.

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Rubez must be a shill account taking the piss, I like your style.


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rubez
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no one said it was rocket science. that's a retarded statement.

if you have never done something before, then it is going to take a certain while until you get accustomed to it.

there's a reason why people start learning to drive in smaller cars as opposed to bigger, more powerful ones even though they do the same thing.

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I've been thinking of getting a 25 key MIDI controller, because I have very little desk space and the Axiom Pro 49 I have takes up a lot of space


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cryophonik
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quote:
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no one said it was rocket science. that's a retarded statement.


Yeah, well, sometimes even geniuses need the most basic things pointed out to them.

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if you have never done something before, then it is going to take a certain while until you get accustomed to it.


Yeah, like counting past 25, or recognizing a recurring 12-note pattern. That's some advanced shit there.

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there's a reason why people start learning to drive in smaller cars as opposed to bigger, more powerful ones even though they do the same thing.


Yup, learning to navigate anything more than 25 keys requires the same motor skills as operating a motor vehicle. And, since driver's education can take years for a guy like you, there's no telling how much longer learning to count past 25 might take you.

You've convinced me. A 25-key controller is probably more than you can handle. I mean, pattern recognition, that's some pretty heavy preschool shit right there, dude. Now, my son learned all the octaves on a full-sized piano during his first lesson in kindergarten a few years ago and no brain cells were run over by any student drivers in the process, but he was probably lucky...well, and obviously more gifted than you. So, stick with that 25-key beginner controller and be sure to wear your helmet and seat belt whenever you attempt to operate it. God speed, my friend.


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I've been thinking of getting a 25 key MIDI controller, because I have very little desk space and the Axiom Pro 49 I have takes up a lot of space


I done exactly that for the same reason and got a korg micro 25 key. An extra octave would be handy at times but it does what I need it to do. I never used the pots or pads on my other keyboard so I found this 1 ideal and cheap

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So, stick with that 25-key beginner controller and be sure to wear your helmet and seat belt whenever you attempt to operate it. God speed, my friend.


I visualized that for a sec.


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