i would just like to say that alot of people on here talk about tiesto and really that guy is just a product of marketing .... he isnt that good .....and he is a jackass .. i saw him on year ago in calgary and the turntables broke down for a second and he threw a fit and ran off stage .... sorry but this guy is nothing special ...thats my opinion

I have to somewhat agree with you. The hype that is built up around his shows is a little much and ive seen him three times and he has trainwrecked every time But for someone who doesnt spin records i dont really think that they have an ear for it.

I do however think he is doing wonders for trance music in North America at the moment and giving it the exposer it needs right now.

P.S. A friend of mine from vancouver was talkin to him about canada and he said that he didnt like calgary anyways.

I have to somewhat agree with you. The hype that is built up around his shows is a little much and ive seen him three times and he has trainwrecked every time But for someone who doesnt spin records i dont really think that they have an ear for it.

I do however think he is doing wonders for trance music in North America at the moment and giving it the exposer it needs right now.

P.S. A friend of mine from vancouver was talkin to him about canada and he said that he didnt like calgary anyways.

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Originally posted by Trancy_Pants i would just like to say that alot of people on here talk about tiesto and really that guy is just a product of marketing .... he isnt that good .....and he is a jackass .. i saw him on year ago in calgary and the turntables broke down for a second and he threw a fit and ran off stage .... sorry but this guy is nothing special ...thats my opinion

for those of us who have been fans of Tiesto for over 5 years he's no product of marketing at all. he might be a commercial asset for some people that only like him for his amazing charisma or Silence or some bullshit reason, but some of us actually admire him for his talent, his perfectly balanced trackselection, his in key contrast mixing (that no one else in trance can do), his Magik touch trademark and many many other characteristics that make him so unique. most people here don't like him because he's inconsistent and granted, has many flaws on the decks, but still no one in dutch trancedom has the artistic depth that he has. he's one of the few trance djs that i can stand, he doesn't play all that staid formulaic fluff that Ferry and Armin et. al are stuck with. I respect them as djs and producers too, but they're nowhere near Tiesto in terms of innovation and artistry. There's no comparison at all. I've seen Tiesto 6 times this year alone and I've only been marginally dissapointed once. I wouldn't pay more that 10 bucks to see Armin, Ferry or Oakenfold again though. Tiesto's music is catered for my taste, and no one as of yet can replace that #1 spot in my books.

I dont find any of armins new stuff "fluffy".

I think Tiestos talent is more base on his track selection rather then his mixing skills.

he still can't mix for shit, and most of his recent productions are shite

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Originally posted by Az he still can't mix for shit, and most of his recent productions are shite

Well if you think Traffic, Nyana and his rework of Adagio is shit then I *LOVE* what you think of as shit For me, some of the tracks you might like such as System F-Spaceman are the problem with trance nowadays. Now for me that is shit of the reactionary, anachronistic and plainly gay kind. It's just a matter of taste kid!

Yeah so he has problems with beatmatching, but that's not what mixing is all about. Tiesto is the master of timing and contrasts, that's how he's so effective in controlling crowds and inducing a trance effect. His approach to this is also not very traditional, as he utilizes in/out dissonant-key mixing and breaks off the flow in the mix incidentally to create a given effect. It's all about how you value trance, as a classical musician there's no one I have more respect for in trance because I can appreciate his work as being higher art, while other djs just seem more trivial...

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Originally posted by YaleTrance Well if you think Traffic, Nyana and his rework of Adagio is shit then I *LOVE* what you think of as shit For me, some of the tracks you might like such as System F-Spaceman are the problem with trance nowadays. Now for me that is shit of the reactionary, anachronistic and plainly gay kind. It's just a matter of taste kid! Yeah so he has problems with beatmatching, but that's not what mixing is all about. Tiesto is the master of timing and contrasts, that's how he's so effective in controlling crowds and inducing a trance effect. His approach to this is also not very traditional, as he utilizes in/out dissonant-key mixing and breaks off the flow in the mix incidentally to create a given effect. It's all about how you value trance, as a classical musician there's no one I have more respect for in trance because I can appreciate his work as being higher art, while other djs just seem more trivial...

jumping to conclusions, I'm not a fan of spaceman. Then again I think his remix of Barbers Adagio for Strings is just a blatant attempt to proove he's better than Ferry, yet he fails miserably.

when it comes down to it, I know of a number of DJ's who structure sets, beatmatch perfectly, mix in-key perfectly, and all round whip shit out of tiesto, and if they had the same sound engineer for the period tiesto has, they'd be as big. And if you think bad beat matching and ripping off other artists is a higher art, then you need you're head examining

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Originally posted by Az jumping to conclusions, I'm not a fan of spaceman. Then again I think his remix of Barbers Adagio for Strings is just a blatant attempt to proove he's better than Ferry, yet he fails miserably. when it comes down to it, I know of a number of DJ's who structure sets, beatmatch perfectly, mix in-key perfectly, and all round whip shit out of tiesto, and if they had the same sound engineer for the period tiesto has, they'd be as big. And if you think bad beat matching and ripping off other artists is a higher art, then you need you're head examining

1. I think Tiesto does prove he's way superior to Ferry with his remix of Barber's Adagio. I always hated Ferry's remix, it doesn't do justice to the original at all. Although Ferry's quality of production was admirable back then, that remix is just too happy, prissy and shallow. The Adagio for Strings is supposed to convey dark and sorrow emotions. Tiesto successfully took Barber's original intentions to the dancefloor for the first time with an innovative dark tech twist that is not only representative of our time in electronic dance music history, but also stapled a new style of production in the canon of Dutch trance. Sure, if stale hands in the air superficial formulas are your thing, of course the Ferry mix is better.

2. I would love to know who these djs you say you know (that spin styles similar to Tiesto) are so I can give 'em a listen and compare their skills. I'd be truly amazed if someone else in this world has the creativity and the artistic depth to come up with better structured sets, with more elaborated harmonic intra-mix progressions and with more unique trance-inducing diversity of contrasts than Mr. Tijs Verswest. You would have to pair this off against sets like Innercity 99, Energy 2000, Magik 6 live in Amsterdam, Impulz 2002, Dutch Dimension 2002 solo, TiC, etc. Armin and Ferry just don't cut it for me anymore, and I can say this after owning all of their mix compilations, countless live sets, and seeing them live in many ocassions. I'm sure history won't regard them as high as Tijs. If you delve into other genres I'm sure we can all find djs with more versatility and depth, but I'm talking about trance, and especially the dutch kind (which is the what I'm talking about here).

3. Ripping off as in sampling and quoting has long been accepted in higher art, in the electronic avant-gardes as well as in the classical establishment. How many melodies did Mozart, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky "borrowed" from others? Tons. As long as you do it with style, it's no problem at all.

4. The sound engineer is not the artist: he doesn't come up with melodies, harmonic structures, nuances or anything like that. Not everyone A sound engineer is just an efficient and helpful TOOL and INSTRUMENT, nothing else. It's like owning a million dollar/pound Stradivarious. He can afford it, and it improves his sound, what's wrong with owning it? It's not like he hasn't proved he has composition skills in the past.

Az, you're a cool guy and you're one of the few people I respect in this wanker infested forum. But we'll never agree on this topic so whatever, it's no big deal. No one cares. I'm out to see Mauro Picotto, later.

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Originally posted by YaleTrance 1. I think Tiesto does prove he's way superior to Ferry with his remix of Barber's Adagio. I always hated Ferry's remix, it doesn't do justice to the original at all. Although Ferry's quality of production was admirable back then, that remix is just too happy, prissy and shallow. The Adagio for Strings is supposed to convey dark and sorrow emotions. Tiesto successfully took Barber's original intentions to the dancefloor for the first time with an innovative dark tech twist that is not only representative of our time in electronic dance music history, but also stapled a new style of production in the canon of Dutch trance. Sure, if stale hands in the air superficial formulas are your thing, of course the Ferry mix is better. 2. I would love to know who these djs you say you know (that spin styles similar to Tiesto) are so I can give 'em a listen and compare their skills. I'd be truly amazed if someone else in this world has the creativity and the artistic depth to come up with better structured sets, with more elaborated harmonic intra-mix progressions and with more unique trance-inducing diversity of contrasts than Mr. Tijs Verswest. You would have to pair this off against sets like Innercity 99, Energy 2000, Magik 6 live in Amsterdam, Impulz 2002, Dutch Dimension 2002 solo, TiC, etc. Armin and Ferry just don't cut it for me anymore, and I can say this after owning all of their mix compilations, countless live sets, and seeing them live in many ocassions. I'm sure history won't regard them as high as Tijs. If you delve into other genres I'm sure we can all find djs with more versatility and depth, but I'm talking about trance, and especially the dutch kind (which is the what I'm talking about here). 3. Ripping off as in sampling and quoting has long been accepted in higher art, in the electronic avant-gardes as well as in the classical establishment. How many melodies did Mozart, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky "borrowed" from others? Tons. As long as you do it with style, it's no problem at all. 4. The sound engineer is not the artist: he doesn't come up with melodies, harmonic structures, nuances or anything like that. Not everyone A sound engineer is just an efficient and helpful TOOL and INSTRUMENT, nothing else. It's like owning a million dollar/pound Stradivarious. He can afford it, and it improves his sound, what's wrong with owning it? It's not like he hasn't proved he has composition skills in the past. Az, you're a cool guy and you're one of the few people I respect in this wanker infested forum. But we'll never agree on this topic so whatever, it's no big deal. No one cares. I'm out to see Mauro Picotto, later.

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Originally posted by Az jumping to conclusions, I'm not a fan of spaceman. Then again I think his remix of Barbers Adagio for Strings is just a blatant attempt to proove he's better than Ferry, yet he fails miserably.

Im going out on a limb here but just so if you didnt know Tiesto tought Ferry everything he knows about the wheels of steel man. And I respect Tiesto for being such a great artist in the Trance community. And yes he dose have some problems with beat matching and so dose Ferry so dose PvD and myself also you to... we all do no one is perfict and if you think you are...your stupid and i think you should unplug your computer and your phone and TV for like a week and look inside yourself. What im trying to say is that you have to respect him for what he has done for people. Opening they're minds to a whole new style of music that is supressed by the media and radio. Everyone can make a differance but its all depends on how much of an impact that you have on it. Tiesto has dose his job and filled that gap along with other artist. So dont flame him for what he cant do instead have a better outlook on life and think about what hes done to make things better.

what people fail to realize is that beat matching is never going to be perfect. your taking two tracks that have diffrent bpms, bass lines and so on and mixing them together. the tracks that djs spin arnt produced so that one can mix into the other...its up to the dj to make it sound as if they were. all you fools out there that talk about having a 'trained ear' can lick my ace. most of you are the ones that bash the shit out of a dj when he does train wreck. what you should be doing is giving that dj props for making a smooth recovery. and one more thing....a dj's set isnt all about mixing skills. im sure you can all remember a time when your favorite dj was spinning and all the sudden he just dropped a sick ass track right on your head...you had no clue it was even coming. i love it when that happens

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