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Moral Hazard
Oppressing the 99%
Registered: Mar 2005
Location: with the 1%
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quote: | Originally posted by Chimney
This is based on your expertize of weapons or something? If the situation calls, a long rage fully automatic weapon can have its purpose. |
There are lots of long range fully automatic weapons; however, there is no way to "snipe" in full auto. When it comes to actual sniper operations (as opposed to say just sharp shooting) it is all about math... distance to target, weight of round, powder charge, altitude, wind, barometric preassure, humidity, temperature, etc... are all variables that need to taken into consideration to determine exactly how one needs to aim in order to hit the target; such a complex process does not lend itself to multiple shots in rapid succession let alone full auto. Additionally, the margin of error for a long shot is tiny, any minor movement of the weapon will result in a major movement in the point of impact. The first shot will unquenstionably move the rifle thus the second shot will have no reasonable probability of landing anywhere near the target over a long range, each successive shot gets worse and worse. Ultimately, there is no need for a fully automatic "sniper" rifle because there is no application in which a "sniper" would use even a three round burst let alone full auto. The application for full auto is short to medium range suppression, not something a sniper team is likely to need; however, if necessary the spotter on a sniper team will normally carry an assult rifle (perhaps two for a three person team).
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Nov-05-2012 16:33
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Acton
Like a FCKNG BIRD
Registered: Mar 2002
Location: London
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quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
There are lots of long range fully automatic weapons; however, there is no way to "snipe" in full auto. When it comes to actual sniper operations (as opposed to say just sharp shooting) it is all about math... distance to target, weight of round, powder charge, altitude, wind, barometric preassure, humidity, temperature, etc... are all variables that need to taken into consideration to determine exactly how one needs to aim in order to hit the target; such a complex process does not lend itself to multiple shots in rapid succession let alone full auto. Additionally, the margin of error for a long shot is tiny, any minor movement of the weapon will result in a major movement in the point of impact. The first shot will unquenstionably move the rifle thus the second shot will have no reasonable probability of landing anywhere near the target over a long range, each successive shot gets worse and worse. Ultimately, there is no need for a fully automatic "sniper" rifle because there is no application in which a "sniper" would use even a three round burst let alone full auto. The application for full auto is short to medium range suppression, not something a sniper team is likely to need; however, if necessary the spotter on a sniper team will normally carry an assult rifle (perhaps two for a three person team). |
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Nov-05-2012 16:36
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Chimney
Low pH
Registered: Oct 2008
Location: Western Block
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quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
There are lots of long range fully automatic weapons; however, there is no way to "snipe" in full auto. When it comes to actual sniper operations (as opposed to say just sharp shooting) it is all about math... distance to target, weight of round, powder charge, altitude, wind, barometric preassure, humidity, temperature, etc... are all variables that need to taken into consideration to determine exactly how one needs to aim in order to hit the target; such a complex process does not lend itself to multiple shots in rapid succession let alone full auto. Additionally, the margin of error for a long shot is tiny, any minor movement of the weapon will result in a major movement in the point of impact. The first shot will unquenstionably move the rifle thus the second shot will have no reasonable probability of landing anywhere near the target over a long range, each successive shot gets worse and worse. Ultimately, there is no need for a fully automatic "sniper" rifle because there is no application in which a "sniper" would use even a three round burst let alone full auto. The application for full auto is short to medium range suppression, not something a sniper team is likely to need; however, if necessary the spotter on a sniper team will normally carry an assult rifle (perhaps two for a three person team). |
Thanks for the explanation.
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Nov-05-2012 16:38
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Allied Nations
Make it happen cap'n
Registered: Mar 2004
Location: MTHELL
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Nov-05-2012 17:36
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Joss Weatherby
Banned
Registered: May 2008
Location: The Pacific Northwest, of course
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That thing is such a POS. I wouldn't throw it into the same class as many other marksmens rifles, purely because the 9x39 is a subsonic, short range round. The gun is used by Russian special forces.
Chimney, snipers, at least independent recon snipers, work in teams, in groups of two or three. Shooter, spotter, security. The spotter and security have semi-automatic/burst fire weapons.
Almost no one shoots full auto unless they are using a GPMG or automatic rifle (that term means something different in military parlance than it does in common reference) like the M249 or M240, where the point is to deliver large volumes of suppressing fire.
*edit*
Ah, I see Moral Hazard covered this.
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Nov-05-2012 18:03
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